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Character Organization

So, User:Pierre recently created these categories:

and requested these for deletion:

So should we start making categories for the other franchises? What about the characters that spand across all franchises?


Or just dump any character in the top-level Characters category if it doesn't fit in sub-cat?

no subcategories
no subcategories
no subcategories
no subcategories


Jeiara 17:54, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Discussion

I hope I didn't made a misstake doing this without bringing it up for discussion. I felt that the character categories lacked proper organization, I felt any organization is better than just about no organization. Or - to be honest - I was bored from being stuck in bed due to the flu...
Anyhow, some reasons for the choices I made:
  1. the "Unseen characters" category is to me a quite useful one, since unseen characters does have a rather specific status. Can't say anything more to defend it :)
  2. it said in the category "Minor characters" that it was for SCC character that isn't to be regarded recurring characters, which include, among others Kyle Reese and Dr. Silberman. But to categorize put them in a category named "Minor characters" seem to suggest that they are minor within the Terminator universe, which is far from true. Hence, it seem logical to replace the category "Minor characters" with "Minor SCC characters" (and if that is done, naturally the same is to be done with the "Main characters", "Recurring characters" and "Unseen characters" categories.
  3. the creation of the categories "Film characters" and "The Sarah Connor Chronicles characters" was based on the fact that the Portal:Characters uses these way of organizing the characters - it seems only logical to use the same way when creating categories.
  4. each SCC character is categorized both by which season(s) they appeared in and by importance (main, recurring, minor, unseen). This is due to the huge amount of characters appearing in SCC.

Category Tree:

Regarding how to proceed with the character categorization. I'd like to propose this category tree:
  • Characters (which include every character on the wiki, and the three "Characters by..." sub-cats)
    • Characters by franchise (only including sub-cats)
      • Film characters
      • Sarah Connor Chronicle characters (only including sub-cats)
        • Season 1 characters
        • Season 2 characters
        • Main SCC characters
        • Recurring SCC characters
        • Minor SCC characters
        • Unseen SCC characters
      • Comics characters
      • Novels characters
      • Game characters
      • Animation characters
      • Theme park characters
    • Characters by status (only including sub-cats)
      • Alive
      • Deceased
      • Terminators
    • Characters by affiliation (only including sub-cats)
      • Resistance
      • any other?

Proposal Discussion

This means that every character is to be included in at least one "franchise" category, and one and only one "status" category. If a valid affiliation category exist, then a character could go in one or more of these.
Thoughts? --Pierre 21:17, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Just be careful where you are creating artificial character (top-level) entries, for example, the I-950 and TS-300 pages are Series pages, and although they include lists of the named characters created from their Series, the character status goes to the actual character pages.Fulongamer 04:41, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
I also reiterate my concern about the possible use/misuse/confusion of the deceased category, as we have characters dead in one timeline/franchise and not in another (Sarah, the entire TX hitlist); or even within a franchise characters saved from death (Sarah), characters prematurely killed (Andy Goode), and characters that are (so far) for all intents and purposes dead now and always (The Voights). How dead do you have to be to earn a spot in the deceased category? How will you disambiguize the various flavors of death state these temporally diversified characters may find themselves in?Fulongamer 04:50, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Regarding the proposed trees,
    • Characters by status (only including sub-cats)
      • Alive (redundant, not required, also subject to the above concerns about temporally diverse dead/alive states)
      • Deceased (see discussion above for concerns)
      • Terminators (Not a status per-se, but a generic root for all terminators, then re-divided by their franchise subcats) (also does this mean the need for a destroyed category for terminator characters?)
    • Characters by affiliation (only including sub-cats)
      • Resistance
      • Skynet (is the other Afilliation, technically so is MIR, but it is all the assorted Machine AIs) Peraps rename the affiliation "Metal" to denote which "side" they really fall under? (Yes, even the fleshinators like the I-950 or the brainwashed humans)
      • any other? (all others are non-affiliated and do not require categorization until they become so.)

Also be concerned about those characters that have switched afilliation (Cameron) or were infiltrators within an affiliation (Serena Burns, Cameron as Allison)Fulongamer 05:30, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

We need to remember that the categorization is done mainly for two reasons - to help us maintain a high standard and to make it easier navigate the site. Not primary for creating perfect, complete lists of characters (e.g. dead ones, affiliation, etc.) For that we create articles. This means that there is no problem listing a character as booth resistance and skynet (if s/he have switched over time), or even both alive and dead (if it differs in different franchises). A second reason why I definitely don't think the alive cat is redundant is that having it will make the maintenance of the deceased cat easier; since every human character would be supposed to be in one of these cats, its easy to track down characters that haven't been properly categorized. This has proven to be a great asset over at Heroes Wiki, which has one of the smoothest character categorization of any fictional universe wiki. We might ofcourse also decide to dump the entire alive/deceased categorization, based on the nature of things, but we we decide to keep the deceased one, we really ought to create the alive one as well - it might seem like pointless and a lot of unnecessary work, but it really is the absolute opposite :) --Pierre 10:35, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for you explaination! Amazing what you can do when you are sick and stuck at home... :) For Category:The Sarah Connor Chronicles characters, the extra The bothers me... how 'bout Category:Sarah Connor Chronicles characters? I also created the following:

If you want to use those. — Jeiara 22:26, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

I've made the transaction regarding the SCC categories. The subcats look great. I will get on to it. --Pierre 22:55, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Character Definitions

Hi, I think it would also help if formal definitions of what makes a character:

  • Main
  • Recurring
  • Minor

Kinda like:

Main: Any character designated by the show's starring credits.

Recurring: Any character appearing 3 or more times.

Minor: Everybody else. :)

Something like that, feel free to come up with something better. Then place on the main Category page. — Jeiara 19:24, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

That is the exact definitions used at the moment (only regarding Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles characters of course). And I agree with you :) --Pierre 19:44, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
With one addition - currently, in order for a SCC character to be regarded as minor, s/he must have appeared on screen. Otherwise it is an unseen character. I like this definition as well :) --Pierre 19:46, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
I moved the definitions to Category:Sarah Connor Chronicles characters, since they aren't valid for characters from other medias. --Pierre 00:39, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

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