mind mentioning his relatives
Timing of T2
So did Terminator 2 take place in 1995 or 1997? The Sarah Connor Chronicles seems to have retconned it to 1997. Kaje 17:57, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
- Right. SCC places the events of T2 in 1997. T2, the movie itself, was released in 1991, but set in 1995. —Scott (talk) 23:41, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
- Two questions: 1) Why the heck did they move the events in T2 from 1995 to 1997? They could have started in 1995 then jumped forward to 2007. Did they like the idea of jumping forward a nice round 10 years?
- 2) Given that the events of T2 happened in two separate years... should we treat T2 and TSCC as two separate timelines? Or maybe they're the same timeline, and we just assume that dates in T2 were retconned and just accept that? --Kanamekun 23:54, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
- According to press interviews with show runners, SCC is a continuation of the movie series that just happens to take place before T3 thus creating an alternate timeline. Given that, the date would probably more likely be defined as a franchise retcon rather than a separate continuation of the story. Friedman specifically says that SCC and any future movies that follow T3 is where the branching begins, not before (as in T2). —Scott (talk) 01:38, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
- That all sounds about right... but why did they even retcon it? I get why John Byrne retconned the Superman franchise... but here I don't really get why they'd move it two years and leave everything else intact? --Kanamekun 01:44, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
blame everything on eddie furlong's age being 13 at the time of making the T2, thus pushing 3 years from 1994 up to 1997
- Yep, both SCC and T3 seem to think that it is better to set T2 when John is 13 despite the fact that is screw up the timeline, because they think fans are confused by John only being 10 when the actor was 13. My guess is that their more concerned about the casual viewer who just thinks that John was 13, and do not check timelines.
This leaves us with two choices as I see it, keep the T1/T2 timeline as official and fit in the new stuff, pretending that x years ago uses the correct number even when it does not. Or we have to move half the timeline around to accommodate changes mad for the masses. My preference would be to keep T2 in 1995 with John 10, and just correct the age and years spans with footnotes stating the discrepancy.
For example the FBI file says John is 15 in 1999, when we know he was 14. So the page should say he is 14, with a footnote explaining. Especially in John's case since the 1984 date for T1 is firm, John's birth in 1985 is also.—MJBurrage(T•C) 04:39, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Age in SCC
- We have confirmation that John turned 16 during Episode 109: What He Beheld, meaning he was born in 1983. Now the problem is that his birthday is in September or early October, moving the events of The Terminator to January or February 1983... doubleofive 12:43, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
New Article Proposal
I was thinking about maybe making a new article specifically for the TSCC John Connor. That would allow us to elaborate on John's biography during the series and keep this article for the John seen in the films (including Terminator 4). I might do the same for Sarah, if anyone agrees. Thoughts please... Darth Raivon 13:21, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Removal of last edit
I undid the last edit concerning the number of actors who have portrayed Batman as compared to John Connor, James Bond, and Dr. Who. From what I can gather on the web, Batman has only been played by five actors; Adam West, Michael Keaton, Val Kilmer, George Clooney, and Christian Bale. This, of course, does not include any voiceover Batmans from games or audio books. I'm sure all of these characters have had numerous actors do their voices in these media. The original statement concerned film history (including television). John has been played by 7 actors so far, and Dr. who has been played by 35 actors so far. Batman, only 5.
sec_1971 05:43, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
I don't think Sarah was actually dating Stan Moorsky. It sounds more like he was canelling a blind date. In this case, he could not possibly be John's father, as he and Sarah never actually met. sec_1971 19:03, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
- I can't stress enough that I don't think Stan was a regular boyfriend of Sarah's, just a blind date. If he was her boyfriend, he would not have said "Stan Morsky here...", he would have just said "Stan here..." Make sense? Why would he say his last name if he was her boyfriend? sec_1971 19:32, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
- I concur that Morsky was in all likelihood a blind date, or at least a first date (they may certianly have met in another venue and exchanged numbers to set up the eventually cancelled date). However you are presuming they never hook up later, in the event of the unaltered original timeline when no one comes to kill her at Club Noir, and no TDE interventions have been undertaken. While it is doubtful she would have mended that fence (Morsky having burned her quite effectively) she just might have within a few days or weeks, at least long enough for a one-night stand to father John. Whatever her original fate, she seems to have been left with the bag of her pregnancy whoever the father might be from any number of potential bar pickups, one night stands, or dating attempts. (Go, Eighties!) Hence the reason John has her Mother's Maiden name, even in the unaltered no-time-travel timeline.Fulongamer 20:03, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
Date of Death
Should we include the date of death as July 4, 2032? If memory serves this comes from the T3 novelization; however, later in the novel it is contradicted by General Connor appearing in the temporal chamber after T-850 is sent back.
- If the point of sending the 850 back was to change the past, then Connor's later presence is nothing more than validation fo the temporal tactic. If the 850 had not been sent back, or if he had appeared sometime after a death scenario but before a temporal intervention, then there would be a reason to question it, as is, no problem. (it is a time travel story, after all).Fulongamer 07:34, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
Section splitting proposal
- The War Begins & The Assassination of John Connor (2018-2032)
I think maybe we should separate the contents under this section, because the Terminator Salvation is a new beginning even if the film does following the T3 timeline. Because the assassination of John Connor happen in an earlier timeline.
(Not sure I explain the reason well or not, I will add/rephrase some thing to the above paragraph if needed.)
In my opinion, the section should be split into:
- The Assassination of John Connor (2032)
- The content should be edited based on the description in previous timelines before the filming of Terminator Salvation, including Kyle Reese's description in The Terminator, and any other description from other media such as the comics, novels.
- A new beginning of the future (2018- )
- The content should contain the event from Terminator Salvation franchise. The section should be edited based on the information from Terminator Salvation film, comics, and games.
Terminator 3 and Terminator Salvation
JMan2.0 18:27, December 28, 2009 (UTC)Wait, is the article implying that the two are in separate timelines? Which from everything I've heard from other sources they are from the same timeline. There hasn't been a definite break as far as I know.
- Right, Dekker plays an alternate timeline Connor, while Furlong, Stahl, and Bale portray the same "John Connor", the "Movie" John Connor, at different ages. Are we wrong about this?----CadmiumX99 05:09, November 14, 2010 (UTC)