In response to the original father remark about Sarah possibly meeting a man in Club Noir, Sarah was supposed to be out with Stan Morsky with her roommate and her boyfriend that night. When Morsky cancelled the date Sarah went to a movie so her roommate could be alone with her boyfriend. The only reason Sarah went into Club Noir was to use a telephone to call police because she was being followed by a strange man (Kyle Reese) when she left the movie theatre being as she had seen that the two Sarah Connors that preceded her in the phone book were killed earlier in the day. The only logical explanation is John Connor was born and he gave Kyle Reese a photograph of his mother. So its more of a fate thing this was going to happen regardless it was pre-ordained in time for John to be born and be trained by his mother to lead the resistance training she would not know to give him if not for Kyle Reese, with out said training John Connor would not be prepared to lead a resistance at all. So its one of those unexplainable mysteries it just is. As if it was pre-determined by fate.


What's the source for Kyle's age of 21? Apparently the novelization says that he is between 20 and 25, but doesn't nail it down. -- Ozzel 02:13, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Kyle Reese claims, "The original screen treatment gave Reese's age as 21, while a later draft gave his age as 22." It doesn't seem to back that up, though (unless anybody has a copy of the drafts in question). --Steelviper 02:59, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Reese (born 2008, traveled from 2029) could have been either 20 or 21 depending on the exact dates (as yet unknown) involved. —MJBurrage(TC) 03:00, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Events in TSCC "What He Beheld" present a potential upset to Kyle's age calculations, establishing either an alternate timeline, or an alternate Kyle, born in 2002.Fulongamer 04:00, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure the novelization gave Kyle's age as 19, but I'm not positive. Sarah Connor 21:50, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

John's Conception TSCC

Okay, I'm tired of the arguement, please follow for exact details on Kyle's contribution to John Connor's parentage for the TSCC

Age / Year / Month
(16) / 2007 / 11 (technically chronologically 24)
16 / 1999 / 11 (if they stayed)
15 / 1999 / 9 (when they jumped)
15 / 1998 / 11
14 / 1997 / 11
13 / 1996 / 11
12 / 1995 / 11
11 / 1994 / 11
10 / 1993 / 11
9 / 1992 / 11
8 / 1991 / 11
7 / 1990 / 11
6 / 1989 / 11
5 / 1988 / 11
4 / 1987 / 11
3 / 1986 / 11
2 / 1985 / 11
1 / 1984 / 11
0.5 / 1984 / 5 (Events of the Film as shot)
0 / 1983 / 11 (Born this day in TSCC)
0 / 1983 / 5 (Events of the Film as scripted)
0 / 1983 / 2 (Concieved appx this day for a full 9 months term)
ANY QUESTIONS??!?!?!Fulongamer 06:54, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Explain to me how he ages 2 years but only 1 year has passed, if you so mind?Sluace 06:58, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Looks like yet another set of screwed up timeline elements, just like the age of John for T2, and Sarah's floating birthday.Fulongamer 07:09, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
So are we agreed...the year of birth, and hence the events of the movie take place in 1983. At least as the show is concerned. Please say we are agreed...It's 3AM here and I'd like to go to bed. LOL =)Sluace 07:12, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Sleep is for the weak, be metal, 0300 here too. Like I said, make it easy and call TSCC on their mistake, Make John 15/23 for "What He Beheld"/"Samson & Delilah" instead. 3 months premature could be survivable in a South American jungleFulongamer 07:14, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
LOL...well then call me weak but I now have to get up in 4 hours. If necessary I'll debate you some more on this tomorrow.Sluace 07:19, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

At least we can all agree on one simple fact: Time Travel f*cks things up.-sec_1971 14:17, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Living with Temporal Anomalies

With the demonstrated ability in TSSC for self-encounters between temporally displaced individuals as seen in "What He Beheld", I wonder just how much of Kyle's joke comment "one slaughterhouse, many Connors" in "Dungeons & Dragons" might not have been a cunningly planted statement of literal truth? As much as they are mucking about with the timelines, how long will it be before we see more instances of temporal doppleganger syndrome?Fulongamer 02:48, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Original Father

What if the EMT Charley Dixon in the TV series was originally Johns real father? Thus had Kyle never traveled back Sarah and Charley would have meet sooner, got married, and have a baby all within the original Judgment date.Nader143 04:57, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

This is highly unklikely, given that the possibility that Sarah would have move to, and meet Dixon is remote in the extreme. And add to that the fact that marriage is certainly NOT a part of whatever pre-temporal intervention parentage John Connor may have had, as he is named for his mother's maiden name. Skynet isn't looking for John Dixson.Fulongamer 18:19, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Had Kyle not been sent back in time to protect her, Sarah would have been killed in Tech Noir. I was reading the John Connor page that mentioned a possibility that the guy Sarah was dating, Stan Morsky, is John's father. The novelization of the first film (in my opinion) states that the night he called to cancel their date..was only their first date. Sarah gives the impression that she only talked with Stan when he asked her out and never mentions sleeping with him. Sarah Connor 17:35, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

You are missing the point here. Specifically, you are presuming temporal intervention as some part of the unaltered original timeline that somehow gave rise to "John Connor, Leader of the Resistance" before anyone went back in time. Given that Sarah was basically just out there dating, any of a dozen one-night stands could certainly have led to a pregnancy. And the "flake" nature of the guys she was dating, like Morsky, can easily lead to Sarah being a single mother. So could whatever hook-up she may have made with any unnamed stranger in Club Noir as a rebound-bang for Morsky breaking their date. Since without TDE intervention, no one was coming to the club to kill her that night. Perhaps it is this original situation that leads to Sarah abandoning the conventional lifestyle of College, Waitressing, and City life to become a recluse militant survivalist on her own, placing her in a position to be John's mentor through the unaltered original timeline Judgment Day that has to have happened prior to any TDE intervention.Fulongamer 18:18, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

TSCC Charecter Article

I think there should be a TSCC character article for Kyle from the show, cuz the future Kyle's are different Kyle's from the film time lines. T-888 03:51, January 11, 2010 (UTC)