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Marcus Wright page

Is it just me, or is this page too long? I dont really think the page need to retell the whole Terminator Salvation movie. Anyone agree? Ascaaear 21:16, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

I feel okay since the contents only focus on events related to Marcus. --TX55TALK 04:41, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
Dont you think its too long?? Wikipedia, IMO is not retelling of his life story. Ascaaear 20:48, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

Image positioning and the page layout

Moved to Terminator Wiki:Current events

Image

Updated the existing image with a more clear one, from http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2009/01/terminator-dire.html can someone link it properly, thanks. --Nanomachines 01:53, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Terminator Infobox Test

The First T-800?

Could it be that Marcus is a prototype T-800 model? Darth Raivon 19:09, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't know. The image looks a lot like Arnold Schwartznegger, or his apparent replacement for T4, Roland Kickinger. I was actually wondering if this is a case of mistaken identity, and the person in there is really Kickinger. Jim Java 21:40, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
I created a page for sam worthington. He is a pretty big guy, but not enough to be mistaken for either Arnold or Roland. Interestingly, the photo of Sam looks nothing like the photo on this page. Could it be a case of "bad screenshot"? sec_1971 14:03, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
Did some research. This photo IS Sam Worthington. Marcus Wright is a machine, not a man. See this photo, which matches that on the page. In the trailer, John has him pinned against a wall (or restrained) and says: "We've been at war since before either one of us ever existed." Why would he say this if Marcus was a human? It would be irrelevant. The article is wrong. See the trailer here-Sec_1971 00:53, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Seriously? I've watched the trailer a million times. He's definitely human. Did you see that quick shot of him helping Connor walk? And he doesn't seem like a terminator at all except from the interrogation. And couldn't he have broken out of chains if he was a terminator? The "Marcus is a terminator" rumor was very old and outdated rumor from early on in Salvation's making. Heyann 01:13, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Then why would John say "We've been at war..."? Why would he be at war with this one guy? The only way that Marcus Wright could be a human is if he were a collaborator (a Gray or something). And if he was a collaborator, why would he suddenly switch back? He's a Terminator whose memory was wiped somehow. As far as breaking out of restraints, there are materials that could restrain terminators for questioning. As powerful as they are, they are not invincible. If Cameron can twist a terminator into a little ball, then a good hydraulic vise could hold one in restraint. Plus, if he was "wiped", there is no reason for him to try to escape. He would just be curious to see why this puny human wants to breathe his nasty breath in his face. Then again, he could be human. We'll just have to wait and see. I think the best course of action would be to change the word "man" to "character" to keep the article neutral until we find out for sure. But, watch the trailers! -Sec_1971 01:34, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

I think it is pretty clear from the very beginning that Marcus was/is intended to be a Terminator. From what I remember, he was a man on death row whose body was donated to medical research. Rumours tell that he was turned into a cyborg as part of some kind of experimental project prior to or shortly after Judgment Day. This is all rumour and speculation, but a lot of it came about from the very beginning. It is also believed that Marcus' brain is implanted inside an endoskeleton and that he still retains all of his organs somehow. The news that the T-700 Series is making an appearance might help explain this too. Maybe Marcus is a T-700. It is feasible that the 700s were stepping-stones towards the T-800 (see T-799), maybe Marcus was one such experiment. Besides, there's a short moment in the trailer where Marcus is punched by a T-800 and he just takes it, so how the hell can he be human? Darth Raivon 17:59, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Not that I believe this is definitely the case (rather than one of many possibilities), but have we seen any evidence thus far that Marcus has human parts? Organs (particularly the brain) etc? So there's a strong piece of talk that he's was a human on death's row, but have we actually been shown anything that would discount the possibility that he is "just a terminator." One that is having an identity crisis/glitch based on the memories of a template or random human? (As Cameron did in "Allison from Palmdale".) J. Stark 19:40, 03 March 2009 (UTC)
Editors at Wikipedia agree that Marcus Wright is the Resistance Infiltrator Prototype, therefore it is he that is the T-RIP, not the T-800. Because Marcus' mission was successful, Skynet was able to continue its Living Tissue technology and apply it to the new T-800 Terminator. The toys are wrong. If anyone recalls, the original Return of the Jedi action figures were released under the title of Revenge of the Jedi. This happened because, as usual, the toy companies jumped the gun and released toys before the title was even confirmed. Same story here. Someone mentions T-RIP (without knowing Marcus' story) and the toy company releases the T-RIP toy. Check your toy archives. There are still statues of the original Terminator called T-101. There is absolutely no credible evidence to suggest that Marcus is not the T-RIP. -Sec_1971 03:56, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
But... isn't the toy of T-RIP very different from Marcus' endoskelton? Marcus is definitely not T-800. However, there isn't any evidence strongly imply either "Marcus is a T-RIP"(if T-RIP is not Prototype T-800) or "Marcus is not a T-RIP"(no mater T-RIP is T-800 or not). --TX55TALK 08:57, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

I wouldn't place much stock in the Wikipedia editors. They haven't even written a Marcus page yet, despite him being deserving of one. But I do concded that Marcus was likely intended to be the T-RIP, given what Skynet calls him in the actual movie and the moronic mistakes the toy makers made with the T-700 line. But that being said, though it was a mistake, is it now fixed in stone that the T-800 was the T-RIP? Are we sure enough to rename the T-RIP page to T-800 (Terminator Salvation) and to list Marcus as the T-RIP? I have no preference, but I'd like to see a decision made here. Darth Raivon 11:20, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't have much comment about the page moving. I only think we need enough citation. ps. After some consideration, I suggest T-RIP (character) should be movedback to T-800 (Terminator Salvation) as the film (staff roll) credit, if we are still unsure whether "<T-RIP = T-800> is a mistake or not". This may be less controversial and much appropriate by far. --TX55TALK 11:41, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

And a note should be added to Marcus' page identifying him as the possible T-RIP. Anyone else agree? Darth Raivon 11:45, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

It seems okay to put "Marcus might or might not be a T-RIP" under Notes section, but the contents need to be written less speculative. Also, I think we can extract some kind of digest of this discussion (The First T-800?) about "T-800 and T-RIP" may or may not be mistake by the toy company and some related contents under Series 800#Trivia. --TX55TALK 11:55, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

T-700

Marcus being a 700 series actually makes sense. That would explain why there never really was a 700 before; because it built to accommodate an existing living tissue sheath, as opposed to the other way around. It's also pretty spindly looking, as the 700 was supposed to be in the comics and novels. I seem to remember the resistance referring to it as "pencil necks" or "scarecrows". -Sec_1971 15:16, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

If Marcus does belong to the 700 series, then it is far more likely that he's a T-750 or something like that, because the T-700 has already been identified as a more compact version of the T-600. It could be that he is the first T-700 model to be built for flesh covering, as you said, but I'm not entirely sure that's the case. Besides, we still don't know what this T-RIP model is. I think that is Marcus. Darth Raivon 17:42, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

The T-R.I.P. has been identified in the same article that lists Marcus as a T-700 (I posted the links and updates). The T-R.I.P. stands for Resistance Infiltrator Prototype and is the T-800. - Nx1701g 19:50, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Okay, so a mate of mine just told me that according to the official novel; Marcus IS NOT a T-700. He is an entirely unique machine created by Cyberdyne/Skynet. He has a brain, and his heart, and is entirely disconnected from the Terminator evolutionary chain. I think it's time to realize that Playmates made an error, as I've suspected for quite a while now. Anyone agree? Darth Raivon 02:58, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
I would agree. Maybe the Playmates toy mistake was intentional to make the figure worth a lot of money; such as the original Return of the Jedi figures that were labeled "Revenge of the Jedi". -Sec_1971 14:19, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree that Marcus is not a T 700. One thing that visibly separates the T 800 from the other models (in the pic with the 4 models that will appear in this movie) is the metal used in its construction. The T 700 and the T 800 seem very similar in design, almost exact. I think the T 800 represents an improvement on the initial production T 700 design, taking into account battlefield conditions, such as the vulnerability of the past metal composition, and the size. Although the T 800 is hefty, I'd assume it passes for human easier then the slightly larger T 700. I think Marcus was like the Darth Raivon said, a unique creation from the past that had nothing to do with production line terminators. --Discipline 21:49, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Marcus Wright, as explained in the movie Terminator Salvation, does not have a model number. He is a prototype infiltrator, a mix between human and machine. Not only does Marcus have human skin similar to the T-800's but, he also has human organs, a brain and a heart. Marcus, at the time of his capture by the resistance, does not know that he is a machine. It is also later revealed that he did not know that he was leading skynet to John Conner and Kyle Reese, so it's apparent that Skynet is able to influence his brain without him knowing it. However, in the same scene, Marcus rebels against Skynet, showing his human willpower, something T-800's cannot do. It could be said that Marcus is more human than machine, given that he still has a human conseince, also the fact that when he gets punched in the chest, the force of the blow stops his heart and he is dead until John shocks him back to life. Also a key part to understanding Marcus is that he was made BEFORE judgement day, he was in a stasis until woken by a blast that occurs within the first 30 minutes of the movie.

Err... yeah, we already know all that. Darth Raivon 10:38, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Similarities To TS-300

I was thinking; what if Marcus is built along the same lines as the comic book Series TS-300 sleeper units? Obviously there are differences, such as the metal endoskeleton, but what about the mind mapping feature? Or is Marcus' brain still in there somewhere? Darth Raivon 01:43, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

The original rumored ending suggests that yes their brains are controlling the endoskeletal body, but we don't know if it is still the case. If you want to know the original ending. (I put this in white so you will have to highlight it) In the original ending John Connor would be killed by the T-800 and Marcus would sacrifice himself to become John Connor. In Serena's laboratory they would replace Marcus brain with Connor's and replicate a new skin sheath for the Marcus endoskeleton. Marus would die but Connor would live on in Marcus' endoskeleton. - Nx1701g 02:28, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


DAMNIT! I READ IT! -Sec_1971 02:49, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

It was just a rumor so don't fret... - Nx1701g 03:28, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, and they changed it because it leaked over the internet and fans were outraged. Darth Raivon 04:40, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Possible clue to Marcus Wright's Past

i added 2 notes in the marcus Wright page... let me know what you think about them and if you think they are relevent or not. DasMuse 11:22, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

=!!!!!!???????

Can i write down how the movie ends ? The end is about Marcus, and it is really immportant.--NooBiBoy 18:23, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Not until the movie airs on the 21st. Some us don't want to be spoiled before then. Restrain yourself for now. Thank you. Darth Raivon 20:52, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
I used to try and police spoilers a few years ago, but the will of the wiki spoke at the time... and there was a clear preference for posting spoilers. So we kinda deemed spoilers to be ok... as long as people used the spoiler template tag on the top of the page. Should we make an exception for movie spoilers? --Kanamekun 21:36, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I suppose not. I admit to being somewhat biased right now, cos' I've learned way too much about the movie's plot without even reading the novel or seeing it, I want the ending to be hidden until the 21st. I live in the UK, so I'd like to avoid knowing until at least then (it premieres Jun 3rd over here). Darth Raivon 22:48, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Brother

In the film he mentions of having a brother, so is that allowable in the pre-terminator life? --TBNY 20:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Terminator??

Is Marcus actually a terminator? I would describe him more as a cyborg... he had his own brain plus a Skynet control chip. But his mission was never to terminate anyone, and he seemed to have free will for the most part. --Kanamekun 02:10, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Hes offically an I series infiltrator, referred to as a prototype for the early I series development and reactivated. Its not clear how much of the chassis is original cyberdyne or up-to-date Skynet. Watcherzero 23:51, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

If you're refering to the I-950 Series, then I think you're mistaken. Though I'm sure there are many conceptial similarities, they aren't the same. I-950s are cybernetically enhanced humans, but they're still organic. Marcus is only partially organic. Darth Raivon 00:00, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Well thats what Skynet says to him in the film, he was a prototype for the development of infiltrators. Watcherzero 00:29, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

The infiltrators Skynet was refering to were the T-800s. Darth Raivon 01:57, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

No, Skynet was talking about the original Cyberdyne program, Marcus was mothballed then reactivated when Skynet realised it needed a different approach than a pure machine to infiltrate the resistance and kill John Connor. The Cyberdyne program was knowingly or unknowingly advancing the pace of Terminator development, what she thought was research to save her death from cancer was actually being used for the development of an infiltrator for use by the military. The company was probably applying the same captured Terminator technology to creation of a artifical body to prolong life. Its speculation but T-800 development being 10 years too early may have been due to some timeline change in T3 resulting in Skynet looking up the original cybernetics research earlier if indeed it was the foundation of its research in the original timeline. Watcherzero 02:10, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Cyberdyne and Serena Kogen were experimenting with Marcus to create a better, stronger, and arguably eternal form of life. She did so out of a desire to save humanity from such fates as cancer. That was Marcus' purpose, but Skynet took Serena's research and turned him into an infiltrator. This film has NOTHING to do with I-950s. Marcus served his purpose, both as an infiltrator and a stepping stone towards the creation of the T-800s. Darth Raivon 10:43, 30 June 2009 (UTC)


his fate ?

i know he probably died after the transplant but is there the probability he could survive without his heart,Skynet must have placed a sort of back up in case his heart suffered damage before he completed his mission ?--Ranjam01 17:32, July 12, 2011 (UTC)

In deleted scenes from the film Marcus was buried by Kyle Reese. - Nx1701g 00:28, July 14, 2011 (UTC)

What is he?

I have been looking and have been wondering what model he is. I'm seeing T-800 and 700. Is there a straight answer to what he is?--User:Sonny1000

He is basically a prototype cyborg as Kanamekun said above. He has a robotic endoskeleton but still retains his human brain and lungs (and, possibly a diaphragm and vocal chords, allowing him to speak like a human--as opposed to a speaker maybe). His purpose was to unknowingly infiltrate the resistance and give away the locations of both John Connor and Kyle Reese so that Skynet could terminate them. He performed those duties well, according to Skynet, and did so because he had no idea he was an infiltrator to begin with. Since he was successful, Skynet went ahead and began manufacturing the living tissue sheaths for the already existing T-800 endos. So far, only the 101 models--the "Arnies"--have been produced. Marcus may reappear in the sequels, as the novel states that he actually survived after giving his heart to John. -Sec_1971 14:28, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
So if he is a prototype (I'm assuming the model before the 800s), he would be considered a 700. Right?--User:Sonny1000
Highly unlikely, or, definitely impossible. --TX55TALK 16:01, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
So really...Marcus's model is unique, and he is the only one of his kind. His endoskeleton/model was only used on him. Is that right?--User:Sonny1000
Correct. :D --TX55TALK 02:43, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
Possibly, but also possibly not. There were scenes filmed involving other hybrids at Skynet Central (you can see one on the trailer for TS where a group are in labcoats and are working on bodies). The deleted scenes will be restored for the DVD from what has been released (the DVD has also been rerated R by the MPAA). - Nx1701g 17:46, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
We shouldn't allow deleted scenes to contradict what was explicitly stated on screen. Skynet(with the face of Serena Kogen) specifically stated Marcus was unique, the only one of his kind. That's not to say there wasn't research involving other breakthrough technologies based off of human biology. The film producers could not possible fit all of their ideas into a single film(hope the sequels are as good or better than Salvation). But with the information we have available, Marcus as a character, was indeed unique. -Grimace427 01:02, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
If he's unique why are there two of him? If you look closely when Marcus is trying to leave the laboratory he passes the body he arrived in powered down. - Nx1701g 03:19, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
Are you referring to the scene towards the beginning of the film or the end? In the opening attack scene it was John Connor who walked pass Marcus' body(just before finding the human prisoners). Toward the end of the film when Marcus rebels against Skynet he jumps down a floor right in front of a deactivated T-800(obscured by smoke). -Grimace427 12:19, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

I've seen T-799, but I don't believe that's canon either. PSH aka Kimera 757 (talk) 12:27, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

purposeful weakness?

i feel that Marcus's weaknesses were left purposefully after his remodeling and completion by skynet encase of rebellion from the unit. this would make allow other terminators to easily defeat or incapacitate him in the event he rebels agents skynet. I say after his remodeling because he was most likely not completed until after the bombs fell. Unsigned comment by Guyver92 (talk • contribs).

Death Status

Should we change his status to deceased, since he is dead, should it be deceased? If not, then I am confused since. Didn't he die? (AtlantisUchiha (talk) 08:40, March 19, 2016 (UTC))

Because he was resurrected by the writer in Terminator Salvation: The Final Battle, which is canon to the film Terminator Salvation. --TX55TALK 10:25, March 19, 2016 (UTC)

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