Talk:Series 800

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Pictures on this page

The pictures on this page have been spaced to match the text of the page. Unfortunately, this is causing massive amounts of white space to appear in the article.

Am I the only one that sees this? I thought I'd check if it bothers other editors as much as it bugs me... if so, maybe we could discuss making it a site policy not to place the pictures in a way that creates white space? --Kanamekun 03:34, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree with you. It disrupts the flow of the page. - Nx1701g 04:48, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

I am sorry about some of the white spaces since I still haven't finished quite. I'll fix (am fixing) the Known Terminators section as soon as possible. :) --TX55^TALK 05:58, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Ah ok. If you're going to mess with a major page, sometimes it helps to create it as a subpage on your user page... so you can tweak away without hurting the main article! You can create subpages under your user page, at (say) User:TX55/Subpage. --Kanamekun 06:06, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Not Official Pictures

I think that we should restore the images of the Terminators from the novel series. While not official we have approved them to be used for those pages so why not include them here? - Nx1701g 12:06, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I think if we are going to restore them, it would be better a disclaimer within the page like their respective pages. --TX55^TALK 08:58, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Terminator models removed

I just noticed that the previous list of terminator models revision of 21:08, 19 March 2008 [1] have been removed. And now someone added a new list of terminator models. Why not use the previous list? I think that worked very well. Ascaaear 17:23, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm not the someone remover (not guilty there), but I am the someone new. The Models discussed in the created portal, however are not terminator endoskeleton models, but the "Flesh Coating" models used across the assorted Series, and therefore not 800 specific.Fulongamer 17:29, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey Ascaaear, that list was actually a list of 8xx submodels... so I moved it to the Series 8xx page. This new list is of confirmed Series 800 terminators seen in the movies, books, and comics - so felt like it belonged on this page? --Kanamekun 19:03, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Editing

Was able to cut down some of the article by moving it into Series 8xx.

Would love to cut down more or move stuff into separate articles, but don't want to just rip content out. There is so much technical data in the "Abilities" section... anyone know where that comes from? --Kanamekun 01:16, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

I am not sure of the sources of the "abilities" section. My guess is that most of it are something that goes for the T-800. We don't know weather or not it applies for other types as well. I think it could be shortened down, but mainly I think it belongs to Series 800. Ascaaear 08:32, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I'll add some cite tags. I wonder if maybe some of it comes from that fanfic site that was the source of so much fictional info on terminators... --Kanamekun 13:00, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Added an image [2] from [3] might need some cleaning up. --Nanomachines 02:05, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Using T-8xx-series

It's ok by me to use the "T-8xx"-series instead of T-800-series. The only thing is that if we start using it all over, it would be hard to search on it. When people search on 800, they won't get the 8xx results... I just tried, and it doesn't get any results at all on "T-8xx", even when using the "*" right after. Is it because it's not cached?? Ascaaear 05:06, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, not sure why it doesn't show up. I don't think it's something people would search for... it's more of a conceptual thing.

By the way, I'm a little uncomfortable having all the T-8xx info on the T-800 page. Possible to move it onto a separate page? My sense is, this page should focus just on the T-800 series... --Kanamekun 13:45, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I totally agree. I just been busy with other things :) Ascaaear 16:54, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I really want to move the 8xx info to a separate page, but I'm not thrilled with the name we have for it. Any thoughts on an alternative name? --Kanamekun 17:55, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

What kind of ideas do you have for the Series 8xx-page aside from the Series 800-page? As much as I think the 8xx-section belongs to Series 800, I am curious to see what ideas you have. I don't see how the name 8xx section fits into the article, I would rather call it subtypes or something. Ascaaear 20:39, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Mainly, just want to move the "8xx Series" section in the article to its own page (since the 800 Series is definitely just for that specific terminator type). But not sure what to call it... --Kanamekun 20:48, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

I see your point. Somehow I feel the "series" articles are unclear of what it really is about. I have to admit I were little confused when I saw the article now. Maybe its because of the picture. To me the picture seems "new", and hard for me to believe its a pure T-800. My impression were that Series 800 was about the 800 in general including the subtypes, and not only the specific T-800 in general. What I get out of what you say, we should have three articles:

T-800 (The Terminator), which is about the character T-800
Series 800, about the specific T-800 in general, which we know as Series 800
Series 8xx, a general article about all the 800 types and subtypes.

But again, using the 8xx seems strange for me as a name on the article. In lack of other names, we could use 8xx as a start. Do you have any idea? Ascaaear 21:07, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Yah you've paraphrased the situation exactly right. I just can't think of an alternative to 8xx... --Kanamekun 21:38, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

I think we should start using the Series 8xx for now. Or maybe we could name it Type 800, but in reality I just think that would confuse people. Maybe use Series 800 (general). My vote goes for the fist one, so feel free to use that :) Ascaaear 21:48, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

The order of the revised models

I think it's confusing to have different orders of the revised models. I think they should come in the ascending order, or when they were released (if possible). We already have the "citation" of what sources it is, so why tell it twice? Ascaaear 04:58, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I dunno, those are pretty non canon... I mean, a trading card game made off a license? Before when they were all together, it was kinda overwhelming. This way, it seems to read a bit cleaner? --Kanamekun 05:04, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I see your point, but I don't think we should differ between canon or not on the content itself. We do have the canon-page to talk about those issues. As long as it's possible I think we should try using citation when referring to sources. Ascaaear 05:14, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I just worry that the references approach is too oblique... I'll try an edit to show what I mean. --Kanamekun 15:18, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Description

Why is it that the description of the page is written as though the Terminator series is from actual events? -- —This unsigned comment was made by 205.211.54.10 (talk • contribs) 16:42, January 17, 2008. Please sign talk pages and forum posts with four tildes: ~~~~. Log in to keep track of your comments and maintain your identity on the wiki.

Because this is a Wiki of the Terminator universe, so it is written as it was real. Beside it's easier to write. Ascaaear 22:44, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it is easier if things are written from an in-universe perspective and then we have sections for behind the scenes and appearances. Plus it allows you to set a tense, in this case, we might want to stick with a past tense for all in-universe articles. -- Riffsyphon1024 03:53, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Sources?!?

I just saw there are new models here. Can anyone confirm the sources of the models (T-804, T-806, T-831, T-835)?


 T-800 - The original model.
 T-804 - Tactical Infiltrator
 T-806 - Recon Infiltrator
 T-831 - HCC Heavy Combat Chassis Unit
 T-835 - Mobile Assault Unit
 T-850 - Skynet decided to harden the T-800 Series against plasma attacks and add new features to aid in the destruction of mankind. The T-850 Series was created in 2027.
 T-888 - Are the successor of the T-850. It was made to be faster, stronger, and more resistant to damage. When knocked offline, it could reboot in in two minutes.

The T-800 Supply and T-800 Heavy must be checked too. I just played some of "Terminator 3: War of the Machines" which says its a T-900 and not T-800 (though I am not sure about later in the game). Can any one check this?


 T-800 Supply: These terminators have red sensors, and terminator rejuvenation kits. During battle, they can supply ammunition to the other terminators.[1]
 T-800 Heavy: These are very much like the T-800 Supply, in build. They have blue sensors, and can have an RSB-80 Plasma Cannon, or a Term cannon. They can also notify HK planes to bombard a human base or convoy.[2]

Ascaaear 06:48, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't know much about these new models. The source cited on those pages is some kind of Terminator Trading Card game? --Kanamekun 15:54, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes I found out too, so I added the "Terminator Trade Cards". I didn't see them until after I asked the question. Ascaaear 17:53, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

OK, I did some research on the cards and created a page on the trading card game. It looks like it was a license just for trading cards, and then the company that made them went out of business. I don't know which company they licensed it from, or who bought the license after the company went bankrupt. I'll create a page for that company, and detail what I know about it. --Kanamekun 18:40, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Here's a PDF document citing every known T8xx series model [[4]] --Tonicquill 14:16, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Problem is, not only is that an entire work of Fan-Fic (not an "official D20Modern RPG" release), but it contains factual errors from the get go, for example, the T-825, is clearly drawn from the I825.M cyborg, which is not a terminator, but a human with cybernetic enhancements and massive prosthetic replacements. It's a fine starter resource for RPG use I'm certain, but it is neither complete, accurate, nor authentic.Fulongamer 16:22, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Fulongamer is right - that doesn't look canon. Interesting stuff tho! Let's be careful about pages that cite this stuff without a more authoritative source... --Kanamekun 16:36, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Showing up and speading Fanfic-as-Fact in the I-950 and other pages. Please define the "true source" for the references, not the RPG Fan-Fic web document .pdf. and don't forget to add [[Category:Technology]] [[Category:Terminators]] [[Category:Terminator series]] and/or [[Category:Non-Humanoid Hunter Killer]] as required for your sourced "new" pages.Fulongamer 15:17, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Alright I think you should just delete them. It appears there's not enough evidence to be of canon material. Got no time to trace for the actual sources. Major exams in my last year of high schools round the corner. Sorry for the mess caused. --Tonicquill 15:27, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Page Name

Based on the detailed name shown in the HUD in T2, Cyberdyne Systems Series 800 this page should be at Series 800, not Series T-800. Basically "T-800" is short name for "Series 800 Terminator" —MJBurrage^(T•C) 23:17, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Agreed - Great idea, the data definitely supports this... --Kanamekun 00:41, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Agreed - Totally agree. Ascaaear 07:45, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Who has these privileges for this wiki? —MJBurrage^(T•C) 04:35, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

I think we all have move privileges! All signed-in users active for more than a few days can move accounts, I believe. It's just that when making major changes, it's often good to build consensus like you did above. I think we're good to move it - if you want to do the honors, feel free :-). --Kanamekun 04:52, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Since Series 800 has been edited more than once, only an admin can do this move. —MJBurrage^(T•C) 11:03, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Quotes

One thing I'd love to see on each Series page is a comprehensive list of quotes about that particular series. This helps not only with mapping out what each Series is capable of - it also highlights the proper nomenclature. Can you guys think of any other quotes involving T-800s? That would make an awesome addition, I think! --Kanamekun 06:46, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Series 800 versus 800 Series

There are several references to the "800 Series" in the article (as opposed to "Series 800"). Kyle Reese once referred to the "600 Series", so I feel like that's ok? Would appreciate any thoughts or insights into this one! --Kanamekun 18:14, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Technical names (as shown in HUDs and readouts are Series #, whereas in common speech it is often said the other way around. The most complete example we have is Arnold's character from the first two films. His HUD in T2 shows that he is specifically a Cyberdyne Systems, Series 800 Model 101, Version 2.4. Kyle Reese describes him verbally once as "Cyberdyne Systems, Model 101", and compares him to the less advanced "600 series". In the commentary he is referred to as a T-800, and later James Cameron discuses the differences between the "800 series and the "1000 series". Cameron also describes that "Series 800" is the endoskeleton, "Model 101" is the Arnold style skin, and "Model 102" looks like somebody else. Finally in T3, the Terminator describes himself as a T-101 when comparing himself to the T2 version.

What this all boils down to is that there are a variety of short hand ways of describing various Terminator types, but that the official/technical name is Company Name, Series # Model #, Version #. Although not all series would have model numbers, since they all have the same look (no skin), and we do not have a canon answerer for what "Version" is used for. (Most speculate that it refers to the CPU programing.) —MJBurrage^(T•C) 19:06, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks! Do you have a link to the James Cameron discussion where he says "800 series" and "1000 series"? Maybe we could add a section on nomenclature to this article, and cite that (along with Kyle's usage of 600 series in the Terminator#Nomenclature section).

Also, I noticed that you used "800 series" with lowercasing. That actually makes sense to me (although I didn't do it in the article, doh). The only capitalization should be for the proper noun, "Series 800". That sounds about right? --Kanamekun 19:19, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

See Terminator#Nomenclature for more naming details. I would actually suggest that nomenclature on this page be a link to there so that we maintain one complete list rather than lots of small separate sections on multiple pages. —MJBurrage^(T•C) 19:32, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Regarding what version could be. I also read somewhere that Version could be the CPU version, but before that my impression was that it could be the version of the Living tissue. If Model 101 is about the actual look of a series, it does make sense that the technology of living tissue also could have evolved into better versions. This is only speculations, so I don't have any sources for that. Ascaaear 04:45, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I'd go with the Version being the "software" version, just as we have with our programs. v2.4 being the version of Resistance-friendly coded software they finally got "right" for taking control of this terminator's chassis from Skynet. It remains to be seen if the uncorrupted terminator program is V1.0, or if Skynet had progressed to V2.0 or some such. Depends on how many tries you want to give the resistance credit for before they sent the T2 terminator back.Fulongamer 01:39, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

could someone check out my theory on this page please Talk:George Laszlo? i would reproduce it here but it would be slightly out of context, i just need your opinions!! Smeagan 12:09, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

It looks interesting, and with the definitive statement that 888s come in a variety of size configurations, applying a greater importance of the Model information is useful, but is it chicken vs egg here? You could in all likelihood have a Series 888, Model 101 (Arnold) terminator, if the chassis was simply one from the upper size end. (Here's to hoping for a Special Guest Appearance!!) Now you have basically doubled your "assembly line options" for terminatort construction, instead of being limited to which Living Tissue model sheaths will fit a particular run of endoskeleton, you can now build to suit. Up to and including dedicated "one-off" infiltrators used for replacement of specific individuals. But (just like ordering T-shirts) it is a more economical use of Skynet's assets to produce whole runs of Terminator endos matched with a specific skin Model than limiting to single editions (ie: the "Vick's Chip" "Many Vicks" memory). One may be all they need for a Temporal deployment, but the rest can certianly be dispersed across the battlefields of the Future War with little chance of cross-location recognition of a redundant appearance. (As when Derek "recognized" Cameron as Metal in "Dungeons & Dragons")Fulongamer 13:55, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

It seems that the series #s not only refer to the endoskeleton, but the CPU as well. The producers of TSCC stated that T-888 refers to the fact that that model had three 800 series CPUs. That makes one wonder how Cameron was able to disable Vick by removing only one of his chips. Nevertheless, that's what the designers said. sec_1971 13:28, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Look at the discussion going on at the Neural Net CPU page. This is under discussion there. Basically one can assume they are talking about multiple CPUs nested in the same assembly, like a Dual Core or Quad Core processor of todays PCs. Not really a setup for optimizing redundancy like the alternate and backup power sources, since they are essentially co-located, but one that does afford a similar upgrade in response time and capability.Fulongamer 13:55, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Gallery

Should we move the images into a gallery to help prevent the spacing like that?-Nx1701g 19:01, 31 March 2009 (UTC)