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Vulcan Cannon[]

It is hard to tell but I would agree the T-600 is seen mostly with what looks like a modified M-134 minigun. The M61 Vulcan cannon is primarily used in aircraft and Navy Phalanx ship defenses. It fires the 20mm round and the gun alone weighs about 250lbs. Then add another 200-400lbs for the feed system...then ammunition on top(about 1lb per round), and you get a weapon system that weighs over 1,000lbs(and creates 5,000+ ft-lbs of recoil!). Probably not too easy to handle, even for a terminator. -Grimace427 14:34, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

The two are similar looking. The M-134 was based on the Vulcan, but made in a smaller scale. Hence the term "Minigun". Kind of like Dr. Evil and his "Mini Me". The T-600 is probably using something similar to the M-134, if not that actual gun itself. -Sec_1971 14:28, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

Infiltrator[]

Is there a specific reference to the Series 600 being an Infiltrator series? Kyle Reese said that the resistance spotted them easily in T1... and they were really obvious in TSCC. It's hard to imagine the T-600's in T4 infiltrating anything...

So wondering if there's a specific reference to these guys being infiltrators... if so, let's add it as a source. Otherwise, we can remove it... --Kanamekun 05:58, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

T-600 Endoskeleton image[]

Changed the existing photo to a more clear one.

http://terminator.wikia.com/wiki/Image:T-600endo.jpg to http://terminator.wikia.com/wiki/Image:ReT-600endo.jpg the images originated from http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2009/01/terminator-dire.html can someone clean this up for me thanks. Nanomachines 01:41, 1 February 2009 (UTC)


Now here’s something that was not so much deleted but it was altered. The original T-600 that fights Kyle Reese and Marcus in the LA ruins HAD a more complete human rubber mask. However, in the final cut, his face is completely removed to reveal a full endoskeleton face. The image below shows the original. wonder why they changed it oh well maybe it will be on the dvd









Vulnerable to heat?[]

Okay, I'm no scientist, but isn't titanium highly resistant to heat and corrosives? [1] Darth Raivon 22:16, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that's why it was created.-Sec_1971 14:58, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

I think that stuff is just based on what Cameron said in Heavy Metal... not sure if anyone has verified that coltan alloys have a higher melting point than titanium alloys. --Kanamekun 16:43, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

I think it would. Coltan is extremely dense, like cobalt. A brick-sized chunk weighs about 60 pounds. It'd also be rather dull, like the endos in Salvation appear to be, not shiny and chromed like the traditional endos. I couldn't imagine how heavy an endo made of coltan would weigh. That EMT in T3 said "This guy weighs a ton", and the T-850 was made of titanium, I think. -Sec_1971 17:15, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

I think I read somewhere that coltan is less dense than titanium? But not sure about that... --Kanamekun 17:20, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

There are very few metals less dense than Titanium. Coltan is close to the same density as Iron (above iron and below cobalt). Its actual name is ferrocolumium or ferrocolumbite. One of its derivatives is tantalum, which is used in consumer electronics because it is durable. Cell phones that use it, such as several of Nokia's lines, are a lot heavier than other phones like the Motorola K1M. Titanium is used because, while being very durable against concussive shock, it is very light (even lighter than aluminum or aluminium if you're Darth Raivon-haha). It would be more realistic for a terminator to use coltan, as its weight is unimportant. -Sec_1971 19:10, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Remember that whether titanium based or coltan based, both types of endos are constructed of Hyperalloy, not just the straight metal. The properties of the rest of the compound will make a significant difference from what we can research on contemporary materials. If a brick-sized chunk weighs "60 pounds" then JC (Alt timeline) is one seriously buff dude as he single-fisted a full bar of the alloy to beat the guard in the truck with. I submit that the alloy created with coltan is therefore significantly lighter than a pure coltan substance would be, and isn't that the point of alloys in this case? Asfar as the melting point differential between the examples of hyperalloy, if original endos were titanium based and the coltan replacement was intended to provide heat resistance as stated by Cameron, then the answer is self evident.Fulongamer 19:30, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

That's true! Coltan could just be an additive to the titanium based endos, incorporated to strengthen its heat resistance. I would imagine that a titanium/coltan allow would be pretty strong and reasonably light weight, not to mention durable against heat. Titanium itself is rather heat-resistant, though. It's a crystalline metal that's actually "grown" much like quartz crystals used for electronics. I used to work at ADM in Decatur, IL, and we experimented with different alloys; most notably columbium/aluminum, and titanium/iron alloys. We never tried titanium/columbium alloys to my knowledge. BTW, coltan is VERY expensive. As of 2008, it runs about 15USD/oz. and 90USD/lb. (quantity discount).

As far as John Connor lifting a bar of coltan, it's just a TV show. Plus, a reasonably strong young man could easily pick up 60 lbs with one hand and conk someone over the head with it. I'm 37 and I can probably manage it. I'm just a computer and tech geek, John (while being both of those) is a more physically oriented guy, in his teens, who is in much better shape than any of us :) -Sec_1971 19:43, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

I'll grant you that, but the size/weight example given was for a "brick sized chunk" of coltan, and what JC weilded was a full 2-3 ft BAR, which should weigh 4-6 times as much as a "brick" by volume, ergo 240-360 lbs which it obviously wasn't. Have you seen folks try to manhandle standard gold ingots? I just was citing the example as proof that whatever the coltan alloy bars were made of, they definitely had to be engineered for significant weight reduction.Fulongamer 22:30, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


Well, like I said: It's just a TV show. The coltan we recieved at ADM Biochem was in blocks no larger than a chocolate bar, and those were at least 7-10 Lbs. The bars on the show were probably hollow, shaped on the outside to accommodate the manipulation by smelting machinery. It would be easier to melt coltan if the "chunk" were hollow.-Sec_1971 22:35, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Nice Eye![]

I didn't even spot the T-600... I just thought that it was really bad makeup, haha. I wouldn't last 10 minutes in the post-apocalyptic future! --Kanamekun 02:11, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Why do people say this is a T-600? There is no proof of what it is. It could be anything. Basically "rubber skin" can be used on any terminators if they really wanted, even T-800, its just about making it. I don't say it cant be a T-600, but before we have any hard proof on what it is, I think we should remove the T-600 reference. Ascaaear 23:09, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
How about we add some language to make it clear that it's speculative? --Kanamekun 23:52, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Agree. We should at least point out that it is somehow not confirmed. Basically I don't like when we add info which are not confirmed, especially with the Sarah Connor Chronicles since its not finished yet. Can you change it something more appropriate? Ascaaear 08:13, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Ah I added that language last night. Someone also added something about that terminator maybe being a T-700 with laser sculpted skin; I'll leave that for now, but asked for a source on the T-700 page. If none is coming, then we can remove that reference from here. --Kanamekun 14:40, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

With the Producer's Blog confirmation of T-600's in "Dungeons & Dragons" perhaps some additional better screencaps are due?Fulongamer 08:49, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Obsolete but useful[]

Why would a T-800, an advanced infiltrator unit, be used to guard a few humans in a run-down house? It makes sense that the T-600s are used for menial tasks nowadays. Darth Raivon 21:30, 30 March 2008

Salvation adjutments?[]

sorry but i was wondering why no one has updated this including T-600 images from the up and coming movie? im not moaning or anything i was just wondering if there was a reason or just that no one had got round to it yet? Smeagan 09:55, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Feel free to add them! Please source all images, so we can note the sources in the article... --Kanamekun 16:29, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
But be sure to differentiate the T4 Series 600 versus the TSCC and (as described) T1 Series 600, the two versions are significantly different from each other but are both expliclty stated as being 600s. I also think Kyle would have leaned more towards "8ft tall with an arm mounted cannon" as a descriptor of why the initial terminator/infiltrator edition with rubber skin was "easy to spot".Fulongamer 20:37, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

From what i remember about TSCC The T-600's in that were larger than the normal human being, that is assuming that Derek Reese is not 5 feet tall. The 600 was at least a foot taller than Derek. My thoughts are also that maybe McG is Exxagerating calling them 8ft Behemoths, maybe 7? 7ft is still rather tall but maybe not as inconceivable as an 8FT 600 (takiing into account that some are infiltrators. I think the model at the comic con maybe larger than life size? possibly? Also, maybe the arm mounted guns are detatchable?Smeagan 09:06, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

From what I could make out in the trailers, and from the indications as described by the developers, no, I think the exhibit was "life size". But that's okay. Just as Skynet has to learn to live with the simultaneous existence of mutually exclusive and divergent timelines, we can adapt to the latest ret-con. The when and the how of terminator origins keeps changing, and the designations may end up being more malleable than initially assumed.
  • As far as the gun's modularity, if you look on the Salvation page, you see another angle of it, with the ammo feed tray clearly indicating a back-mounted ammo repository, so it might very well be a backpack rig that can be discarded.
  • But if the display is a 1:1 scale representative, there's no point in bothering with a wrap. This timeline is obviously revamping the 600 as the "fielded R&D" edition terminator, used by skynet to refine the basic technologies for the later human sized endoskeletons in a scale its available technology could produce, before advancement and miniaturization allows it to reach a viable infiltrator size. Build the human-oid first, then make it human sized. Makes for a serviceable assault unit in the interim.Fulongamer 09:29, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Isnt it really annoying when the film guys get it wrong? i have to be honest, i wish character design and continuity was up to us lot. lol. I Really hope that the 600 shown so far isn't lifesize otherwise the whole rubber skin concept is pointless...Smeagan 12:55, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

To be fair to the T4 guys, they never actually said that the T-600 in TSCC was a T-600 on-screen... it was just something posted to the Producer's Blog. Maybe there are different types of T-600's? Like there are different flavors of T-800's... --Kanamekun 14:09, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
What is really interesting is that the T-700 Series (from the design schematic that was leaked) seems to fit the interpretation of the 600 Series -Nx1701g 06:06, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

It's garbage, folks[]

Kyle Reese states in T1 that "The 600 series had rubber skin. We spotted them easy." He does NOT state "The 600 series was 8 feet tall with a minigun welded to its arm. We spotted them easy." The fact is that somebody couldn't just walk up to a Resistance base and be allowed inside. They have to give a password or something to whomever is guarding the door, as is established in future flashbacks in T1. Which means it has to gain the confidence of some humans by appearing to be a survivor and then be admitted inside where it can do its work. Simply walking up to the base and opening fire from whatever distance it is that people with binoculars would be able to tell what it is wouldn't do. Also, if Skynet knew exactly where these bases were then it could simply bomb them with bunker penetrating munitions. Part of the game here is that Skynet DOESN'T know where all of these bases are.

The fact is that the people who made T4 had absolutely no respect for the source material they were working with, or the genre they were working in. They probably never even bothered to WATCH the first two movies. They expected the movie to be a hit because of the name "Terminator" and because of the amount of money they threw at special effects.

McG may have just done to "Terminator" what Frank Miller did to "RoboCop" with the script for RoboCop 3. And the T-600 is the most glaring example of that.

It's an example of what is known in marketing as "branding". People expect a certain thing from an established brand and they tend to react negatively when those expectations are reversed, no matter how large the ego of the person initiating the changes. Salvation's current rating from Rotten Tomatoes (33%) stands as testimony to this fact.

--Trench216 18:15, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

I completely agree with you. As far as branding goes, can you say "Star Wars Episode I"? -Sec_1971 14:22, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

Kinda reminds me of film.com's "Terminator Salvation is the fact that nothing happens.", it really sounds hilarious to me. Terminator Salvation is a kind of pilot, which tells the audience about the world view of the whole new Terminator series. SO, I don't agree with much of those things like that. --TX55TALK 16:18, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

T-600 vulnerability[]

The reference on this page cites the back of the neck attack interfering with motor control, but the film itself says targetting control? is this a discrepancy between film and novelisation or is the reference wrong? Watcherzero 23:24, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I've just finished the official novelization, and in that when Kyle struck the T600 in the Skynet facility, it's motor functions were lost and it started flailing/spasming and shooting around as a result.JamesMcf 22 Sept 2009

Secondary Weapon[]

Hey guys, This is my first post here so I'm hoping this is the right way to do things. I haven't managed to find out any info on the secondary weapon the T600 in Salvation was using to bust a hole in the side of the Toy Factory when it was trying to chase Kyle.

In the official book it doesn't use that at all, but when Marcus leans over the edge it tries to hit him with the minigun again.

From what I can see it looks like a mounted grenade launcher (but there's no way to reload). Anyone else know for sure?

While I could not tell for sure, it looked like some diabolical potato cannon! It had some hose coming out and going behind the T-600's back. In all likelyhood it was an M203 grenade launcher with an auto-feed system. It doesen't look very sophisticated, so perhaps it was just something the special effects crew threw together. -Grimace427 11:54, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

T600 inconsistency[]

Has anyone else noticed that in Terminator Salvation, that first T600 that tries to kill Marcus has a really narrow shoulder width, and different head proportions to the ones without the rubber infiltration sheaths used later in the film? JamesMcf 14 Oct 2009

It happens. If you noticed in the TV series, Cromartie's endoskeleton is much more bulky than either Owain Yeoman or Garret Dillahunt. Before he got into the blood bath, we get a good view of his endo and it's almost Schwartznegger size. -Sec_1971 14:11, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

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