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In the last episode would everyone agree that by traveling forward in time, John basically removed himself from the timeline? Wouldn't that action completely negate everything the Connors had worked for? -Sec_1971 14:18, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
- That depends. It is said that Judgment Day is inevitable, so I guess no matter what they do to try and stop it, the war's gonna happen anyway. It is obvious Sarah couldn't stop it as she promised, as when John jumped forward the world had still been nuked to hell. I think John saved himself from dying on Judgment Day and was therefore spared the horrors of the workcamps and early nuclear fallout. In short; he skipped over all the messy parts and jumped straight into the war itself. Darth Raivon 19:01, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
- I see it as a couple of different possibilities. The first is, like Darth Raivon said, John was meant to jump forward to miss the most dangerous parts of the war: the initial nuclear fallout and the Skynet Workcamps and probably even prevented his own death. Then there is another part of me that thinks that John may have jumped forward for personal reasons and acted without thinking. If you listen to his words and inflections he's more consumed over the pain of losing his friend than anything and probably isn't thinking objectively about the mission. At the time the only thing that mattered to him was helping Cameron and restoring her. That was probably why he was also surprised when he didn't see her deactivated body in the future. He had no real means of saving Cameron once he jumped to the future. I also, in a sense, think that this was the plan all along. Cameron was always meant to find a way to take John to the future to escape the initial fallout and risks. Weaver just gave the opportunity to do it. So many possibilities yet they just had to cancel it... well maybe the rumors are true that it'll be back midseason 2010 (but I doubt it). - Nx1701g 17:28, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
I never meant to imply that it was his intention to jump over the beginnings of the war. I simply explained the consequences of his jump. But you're right: his sole intent was to find and recover Cameron's processor. Darth Raivon 23:32, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
Link to Sarah Connor Chronicles WIKIEdit
Should we leave it or remove it? - Nx1701g 17:28, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
- I've removed the link. That wiki is a skeleton and has absolutely no value to visitors to this site. Darth Raivon 23:29, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
Q&A section??? Edit
What about having a Q&A section on each episode article, where we can have question about the plot? We can put in the answer if we have, or wait till it might be answered later in the series?? Ascaaear 17:58, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
- Is this something that could work on the Talk page for each episode? Either way, having trouble envisioning this - can you maybe give some examples? Thanks Ascaaear! --Kanamekun 18:02, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
- I think this can be covered under Nitpicks and Notes? Several of these points are already covered there... --Kanamekun 18:40, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
- Hey Ascaaear, I have to be honest - I'm not a huge fan of the Q&A format on the episode pages. But I'll keep an open mind, and see how it develops. At the very least, we can incorporate the ideas in the questions into the sections mentioned above. Or if other people love the q&a format, please weigh in! --Kanamekun 21:29, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Is the TSCC a new timeline that has nothing to do whatsoever with T3 and Salvation, becaouse it makes no sense with T3 if you watch the show then T3? Please tell me this is true becaouse I don't want Fox scewing up my favorite cyborg frnchise. --T-888
- TSCC has the past and history of T1 and T2, but it has NOTHING to do with T3 or T4. TSCC is an entirely separate timeline to T3. How TSCC ends will be quite different to how the movies will end, I can assure you. Darth Raivon 01:12, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks man, so it is just like fan fiction? --T-888
- Heh, it's a notch above fanfic. There are a lot of timelines in the Terminator universe - T2:3D was made by James Cameron, but it's pretty clearly not in the T3-T4 timeline (I'm not sure it's consistent with T2's timeline, and it's definitely not consistent with T3!). --Kanamekun 02:21, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
I know that T2:3D was mad by Jim Cameron but the thing I want to know is...from T2 to T4 is that one timeline? So, that was my real question. --T-888
- T2-T4 is more or less one timeline (in the "present day" at least - the futures keep changing due to all the time travel). T3 had a slightly screwed up timeline though: the opening monologue of T3 says John Connor was attacked by the T-1000 when he was 13, but he was actually 10 (according to the police computer). Sarah's tombstone in T3 also says she was born in 1959 - not 1965, as previously started in T2. --Kanamekun 14:16, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
I know there is still mostly continuity but the nubers are off. Don't let the number get to you. All I wanted was to know if those films where one timeline. So, thanks. --T-888
- Heh if I didn't let numbers get to me, I wouldn't be editing a wiki. :-) --Kanamekun 18:02, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
I know, LOL. Whell, the writers of T3 probbally never saw T2.--T-888
Has the second season dates been annouced for Australia?
If it follows the same pattern as last time it should be something like: |United States: September 08|---|Australia: October 07|---|United Kingdom: October 16|. Obviously this is just a rough idea, but I hope it helps. Darth Raivon 15:33, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
- Me 2! I wonder if he works for Catherine... it would explain why Cromartie didn't kill him! Although she sounded so surprised to hear that two terminators were fighting in the plant, so maybe not... --Kanamekun 01:25, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
He's gonna have a big part to play in Episode 208: Mr. Ferguson is Ill Today, and there are inklings that this may be his last episode. But "Weee'll See" if that's true or not. Darth Raivon 16:34, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Aw crap! I wonder if he'll substitute again like he did in the pilot. Just a thought, though: Does Garret Dillahunt seem a little too slim to be housing the same endo as Owain Yeoman? A little taller than the latter, too, I think. It seemed to me that Yeoman was a bit shorter and much stockier, and the Cromartie endo was rather hefty, too. Oh well, you can't get everything perfect.---sec_1971 17:56, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Well you could argue that Cromartie's second skin is thinner than his first. Darth Raivon 20:40, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Is TSCC canon? Edit
My apologies if this seems like a foolish question, but someone recently told me that TSCC isn't canon. Is this true? Should I view everything from Cameron to T-888's as little more than glorified fan fiction characters? I find this hard to believe, but would like to be certain.
TOK-797 12:38, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- We don't generally focus on whether something is canon or not. We just cite where each fact came from, and clearly mark its source... and the reader can make their own determination. --Kanamekun 15:01, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles takes place in an alternate timeline from the movies (similar to the New Star Trek vs. The Old Star Trek). The obvious distinction is JD in film vs. television. In the films JD takes place in 2004 (unless McG does get authorization for T5 where it'll be changed to 2011); in the television series JD takes place in April 2011. Aspects of the films were briefly touched upon - Sarah Connor getting cancer - but the date of her death and JD in the series were skipped over via time travel. In short they're both canon to their parts of the franchise and, with the new film, they may be tied together. - Nx1701g 17:06, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
The Unseen PlotEdit
I have watched and read about virtually every aspect of the TSCC timeline and story; and I have come up with a theory - that there was really another under-lying plotline in the series that wasn't truely revealed; the entirety of the events of the series were actually the efforts of the Cyborg Resistance's master plan to defeat Skynet in the future War Against The Machines.
Let me explain how it works (assuming all of these details, revealed over the course of the series, are both accurate and correct); the Cyborg Resistance; which is an anti-Skynet machine faction inside the Machine Empire, doesn't support the War against the Human Resistance and seeks to survive alongside humanity. To truely defeat Skynet; a homicidal insane sentient A.I., the Cyborg Resistance would need an A.I. of their own to completely destroy all traces of Skynet. One of their members is the Reprogrammed Terminator "Cameron" - now a high-ranking Resistance member who serves as John Connor's advisor and/or lover in this time, and basically runs the war effort (having insulated and isolated him from all contact with anyone save her - with it being implied to be at John's request; as he "doesn't see anyone"). Previously, efforts were made by John to approach and ally with the CR faction (detailed during the S.S. Jimmy Carters last voyage); however, these efforts were put down with the simple declaration - "the answer is no". After formulating the plan to create their own A.I., however, the CR faction approached John and instead decided to work together, but they would create their own A.I. in the past as Skynet began to rise, and thus would need access to Resistance time-travel technology (possibly explaining their sudden desire to cooperate). The same T-1001 who escaped the sinking Jimmy Carter, and served as messenger to the Resistance by the CR faction, was chosen/volunteered to go into the past and lay the groundwork for the creation of their A.I. Cameron, also, was sent into the past - as her own CPU, due to her experiences with the Resistance, contained memories, experiences and information of all kind that would be invaluable to the A.I. when the time came for it's deployment back to the future, and the chip itself, being the most powerful micro-computer on Earth during pre-Judgment Day time, would undoubtedly be needed. This would be Cameron's long-term goal, of which she would have to wait for the code-word signal ("Will you join us" - which Cameron would recognise as this was the Resistance's message to the Cyborg Resistance; asking for an alliance). In the mean-time, Cameron served as present-day John's protector, and the events of the TV series unfolded.
The T-1001, meanwhile, infiltrated the technology corporation "Zeira Corporation" (or "ZeiraCorp") by infiltrating the helicopter of Lachlan & Catherine Weaver, it's Co-Founders & C-CEO's, while it was journying to one of their factories in Scotland. The T-1001 proceeded to terminate the Weavers and cause the helicopter to crash, and took on the late-Catherine's appearance, making it look like Catherine survived the crash while their husband died due to "pilot error". The T-1001; now taking on Weaver's life and name, became the new CEO of ZeiraCorp and became parent to the Weaver's daughter; Savannagh. Over time, her own interactions with Savannagh would improve her relations with others, while at large she made ZeiraCorp thrive and prosper across the world; giving Weaver access to the technology and resources she would need to complete her mission.
Eventually, with Skynet's Terminator activities increasing in the past, and past-Skynet already beginning it's ascension, Weaver, with the infrastructure for the A.I. complete, announced to her department heads the formation of their new A.I. project; "Project Babylon", something that the almost entirety of the company's employees supported (having seen how well Weaver had managed the company). There were instances where employees e.g. Justin Tuck and two others, would feel un-cooperative and their activities began to endanger its mission, focing Weaver to terminate and make certain the dead humans would not be missed e.g. false records. Weaver would also lay groundwork to aid the Human Resistance as well (such as Weaver gaining custody of Seranno Point Nuclear Plant; a future Resistance stronghold, and saving it from closure, and employing Special Agent James Ellison, a potential future Human Resistance member, for the purpose in aiding both him and, by extension, his close associates - the Connors themselves, in their own missions against Skynet), sometimes ending with Weaver terminating one or more humans to see to it's mission's safety.
Eventually, utilizing the technology of the late-Andy Goode, Babylon was built on the foundation of a more-primitive A.I. - The Turk. Babylon began to develop, and with the aid of psychiatrist Doctor Boyd Sherman, and utilizing the body of James Ellison's recovered Terminator; Cromartie; Babylon a.k.a. "John Henry" (a name given by Boyd before his accidental death) was given mind, body and soul. With time, Babylon was taught by it's "parents" - Weaver and Ellison, the true value of humanity and reasons why it should survive, as well as it's ability to feel and consider not only pure logic while making decisions, and that Skynet itself was truely evil and must be stopped.
Gradually, Skynet, seeking to destroy it's enemies - especially it's "brother"; Babylon, used the company under its control; the Kaliba Group, to press down and eventually openly strike the Connors and their allies, including ZeiraCorp. Ultimately, this forced Weaver to signal Cameron, via. James Ellison, that Babylon was ready, prompting Cameron to journey to ZeiraCorp Headquarters and surrender her chip to Babylon (Babylon, itself, was seen to be expecting her), and left a brief good-bye message to John. With the ability to survive independently, Babylon, following an open attack on ZeirCorp Headquarters by Kaliba, used it's attached time-travel machinery to journey to the future to face Skynet, intending to aid the Cyborg & Human Resistance in ending the war.
The plan, however, currently looks to be in jeopardy as John, motivated by his feelings for Cameron and desire to restore her, followed Babylon through the time portal, to re-take the chip, only to arrive in an alternate future in which John Connor, having disappeared from the history books, doesn't exist.
Currently, there are rumours of a potential series of direct-to-DVD movies set after the TV series; these could reveal these details to be true and thus conclude the storyline, which could see a collossal A.I. battle between Babylon and Skynet, without too-many cliffhangars.
I urge every Terminator fan to read and take heed of these words. Spread the word. Thank you, and good-night & good-luck.
I have heard, again heard that SyFy might bring TSCC back, because they have a spot open, if anyone can find anything else that supports this please let me know. T-888 22:56, October 27, 2011 (UTC)
- There were rumors it'd be brought back in as repeats of existing episodes, but not that the series would be brought back with original episodes. Besides, the cast has moved on already so they'd probably have to recast everyone. - Nx1701g 01:24, October 29, 2011 (UTC)