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T-RIP

Why does T-RIP point to the T-800 page? Isn't Marcus Wright the T-RIP? After all, Skynet specifically told him that he was a Infiltrator Prototype. There's nothing prototypy about the T-800. -Sec_1971 19:52, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

No, the T-RIP was the prototype T-800 that fought John in the factory. I will correct the links. Marcus was an infiltration prototype, possibly an unofficial T-700. Darth Raivon 21:25, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
It was made very clear in movie diologue that Marcus was a unique cyborg, the only one of his kind. The T-RIP was merely the first of his kind. The ONLY reference for Marcus being a T-700 was a toy brand, and a mistakenly labeled toy at that. -Grimace427 21:37, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Depends on if they include the deleted scenes involving the Skynet allied humans on the DVD. In the original script - and these scenes were also filmed - Marcus was not unique and was one of many Human/Machine hybrids. T-RIP, interestingly, comes from behind the scenes comments and the marketing for the film (similar to Cameron being TOK-715). - Nx1701g 01:56, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
One of the other things that Skynet said was that Marcus was the only one of his kind. -Sec_1971 01:59, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Maybe those scenes were deleted to eliminate confusion, as is evident here. Also, since Marcus was a human turned cyborg, the surguries and enhancement would be custom and unique to Marcus' physiology. Thus any other human turned cyborg would also still be unique. It's not like they would be produced on an assembly line like the T-800. If it were up to me the T-RIP name would be removed in favor of T-800. And I have yet to see any concrete evidence the terminators in the factory were anything other than production T-800's. Just because the terminator we saw fighting John was a prototype does not mean that model can't be in production. You have to build a working model to identify flaws. And it looks like Skynet did not see any flaws. -Grimace427 12:55, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

This is the Amazon.Com page for the T-RIP Bust released by DC Direct Terminator Salvation: T-RIP Bust -Nx1701g 19:13, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I refered to Marcus as a T-700 due to his role as the bridge between the T-600 and the T-800. All the toys, plus behind the scenes references, refer to the T-800 prototype as the T-RIP. The T-800 that attacks John is a character machine, and is named as such. If it were one of say three T-800s that attacked him, it would be named differently. It is unique by circumstance and status. Darth Raivon 23:42, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
If the toys were incorrect when referring to Marcus as the T-700, then it would stand to reason that the manufacturers also labelled the T-RIP incorrectly. As stated before, Marcus is referred to by Skynet as a Resistance Prototype, the only one of his kind. If the T-800 was a prototype, why would Skynet have already begun mass production? It wouldn't make sense to mass produce something that had not proven itself. It makes more sense to label Marcus as the T-RIP, because that's what he is; a Resistance Infiltration Prototype. -Sec_1971 00:02, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
But not according to official merchandise. The only thing that identifies Marcus as a T-700 is one action figure line; the T-800 is called the T-RIP in multiple lines including Playmates (which WB contracted to make the toy line) and DCDirect (which is directly owned by WB itself). -Nx1701g 00:40, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
Marcus was referred to as an Infiltration Prototype, not Resistance Prototype. The toy companies were not afilliated in the production of the movie, or the script. They were given characters to make toys out of. While they strive to produce close copies of on-screen characters, they are not an encyclopedic reference to the Terminator universe. They have made mistakes which might go unnoticed by children, but are exposed by the hawks here on this Wiki. And for those people who saw the Transformers film in 07, Bumblebee's character was the 2010 Camaro Concept car. While filming was taking place the production car was in final assembly preparing to go on the assembly line at GM. A concept car is the same as a prototype. Why oh why could the T-800's not be in production just because the T-800 we saw on screen was a prototype? It's not like we saw his arms being welded on just before he goes on to fight John. He could have been around Skynet central for months for all we know, long enough for the produciton versions to come around. I have found others who share my belief that the toys should not be included in Terminator film canon. Just too many variables, and too many conflicts of interests. -Grimace427 19:36, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
As I said the DCDirect items were specifically said to have been overseen by Warner Brothers' Marketing Team while the Playmates line was not (it was subcontracted out to them). I'm not saying I disagree with you regarding the toys because, let's face it, who among us really wants the Glow in the Dark endoskeleton to be canon; however, these are different because they were officially produced by Warner Brothers and not contracted out to the lowest bidder. This was partially why Bale denied authorization for his likeness with the Playmates line and approved it for DCDirect. - Nx1701g 05:32, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
I've forgotten what we were arguing about. So DCDirect are the top-shelf toys, they will be the closest to canon. I just can't include the "Marketing Team" to the discussion. Their interest is selling a product. The producers of the films are creating a product(a whole universe). Oh, my main arguemnt is take everything with a grain of salt. We can't have a million references with slightly different informaiton and expect them all to be correct. I just want things to be as simple as possible; Info from films comes first, commentary second, interviews third, so on and so forth(toys at the bottom of that list). I just don't want someone coming in saying "I found this somic in Taiwan saying the T-800 was made by aliens with adamantium and duct tape and can fart nuclear plasma and sing lullabies to make the resistance go insane"(I'm not implying anyone said that). Let's just try to put a filter on the information flow so someone new to the universe can come in and get quality information. -Grimace427 12:17, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Well, I can assure there are no comics in Taiwan said T-800 made by aliens with adamantium because there are no such comics. Ha ha ha Okay, back to the topic, I think Grimace does have the point: A filter on the information flow to ensure the quality of the information. :D --TX55TALK 17:08, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

And not to mention they tried a whole "What is the T-RIP?" mystery which ended up being the T-800 prototype anyway. Darth Raivon 13:52, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Notes Section

Concerning the note about Kyle saying "the HKs hunt better at night": I'm glad someone else noticed this contradictory statement. Kyle did, in fact, tell Sarah in The Terminator that "We stay down by day, but you can move around at night. The HKs have infrared, but they're not too bright. John taught us ways to dust them". -Sec_1971 14:32, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Who is 'McG'? This seems...odd. --Revanche 05:57, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

According to Wikipedia, his "films include Charlie's Angels, Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle, We Are Marshall, and Stay Alive. His television series include Fastlane, The O.C., Supernatural, Chuck and Pussycat Dolls Present: Search for the Next Doll." --Kanamekun 06:20, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
When I first heard the name McG, I thought: "Great, another white boy wanna gangsta." Turns out it's a nickname his Grandpa gave him. He is obviously somewhat inexperienced in the sci-fi genre, but did much better than I thought he would. Not a bad flick at all. It definitely has re-watchability, which is great. I got sick of T2 after about 6 times. I could watch this over and over, especially since I had a big soda and a half-pint of Jim Beam in the theater (lots of pee breaks). haha -Sec_1971 13:58, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Title

According to this article[1], they removed the title for this movie. It is currently untitled. I don't know how to change the page to reflect this. -doubleofive 11:49, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Somehow it wouldn't be correct to call it "Terminator 4" either. As far as I know, its the same people who make Sarah Connor Chronicles, which we know doesn't include Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines in the story. So it would actually be a new third movie. I think thats why the avoid to use the "4" in the title. Ascaaear 20:50, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Chronologically, the movie comes after the Judgment Day in T3 (according to the Wikipedia entry on it). In any case, rumors are that they should have a title soon. So hopefully they will settle this and we can rename this article shortly! :-) --Kanamekun 13:28, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
I hope they find a decent title. I never really liked the title "Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins". Rumors also say that in the movie Kyle Reese is meeting a early version of T-800 as we know it :) I am beginning to like this movie more and more. Ascaaear 15:25, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Since TSCC branches off from the T4 & T3 timeline, this question has already been laid to rest, T4 is a continuation of T3 while TSCC is a continuation of T2, and perhaps its precedent, since T3 never comes to pass due to Cromartie's arrival. No universe ceases to exist, they only exist parallel and separately. Anon 12:30, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Film Link

I want to let all of you know that on the section on the home page that tells a little about the film, there is no colon (:) in the title.

Spoiler

Should we add a spoiler tag to this article and the article of characters who appear in the movies? I'm kinda getting spoiled just clicking around, and it's bumming me out a bit. Would hate to spoil a fan and ruin T4 for them! --Kanamekun 20:42, 19 March 2008 (UTC)


MASSIVE SPOILER!!!!!!!










On Aintitcoolnews.com awhile ago they revealed that John Connor dies at the end of the movie and Marcus skins him and becomes John Connor to lead the resistance.

Should this be included somewhere on the main page for people who want to know?

      • END SPOILERS***
You can use the spoiler template, so no one accidently reads it. Example {{spoilertext|my massive spoiler}} = my massive spoilerJeiaraTalk 22:43, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Teaser Poster Released

Since the teaser poster has been released, shouldn't we put it at the top of the article? You can see it here:

http://www.canmag.com/images/front/movies2009/terminatorposter1.jpg

Or maybe we should just wait for the theatrical poster to come out, I don't know. "MovieMan" 20:34, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Serena or Serena Burns?

Is this simply a coincidence, a small nod to the novels, or is Helena Bonham-Carter actually portraying that character? Will the I-950s feature in T4?

I would place my money on it being an oblique reference to T2: Infiltrator, just as the T-X was based upon Serena Burns in T3. Darth Raivon 11:19, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

So far all references to her character I've found only identify that she is "a villian" named "Serena". Where exactly can we cite the full character name is "Serena Burns"? Otherwise this might just be a mere nod, rather than an import.Fulongamer 08:15, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
I was wondering this to, from what I can see so far, she's listed as "Serena" unless there's a source saying so otherwise, I think it's jumping the gun a bit to call the character Serena Burns. --Terran Officer 07:03, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Has there been any further action on this? What is the current status of this character concept?Fulongamer 15:17, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Serena is said to be a villainous cyborg. No new info since Bonham-Carter's tragedy, so the character might either be scrapped or a new actress brought in. Darth Raivon 13:23, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

T-RIP

Earlier today ComingSoon posted a shadow of a bust of an upcoming character that looks like a Human/Terminator hybrid they identify as the T-RIP. It could possibly be Serena or something else (it will not be revealed until May, however). - Nx1701g 04:29, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Er, would you be so kind as to post the link of the image? I can't find it myself on ComingSoon, the list is too long. --Tonicquill 07:25, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
I've found one here T-RIP Bust

[cough] Marcus Wright [cough] Darth Raivon 20:47, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

The terminatorgeeks.com website has a section about the upcoming T4 action figures. The figures seem to confirm that Marcus Wright is, in fact, a terminator. There are some inconsistencies with the figures, though, as the 600 series figure (complete with ahrd-mounted miniguns) is slightly smaller than the T-800 endos. -Sec_1971 21:01, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Roland Kickinger

If Roland is supposed to play the very T-800 that was sent to Terminate Sarah Connor, I wonder if the movie will remember this one tiny detail: When the Terminator originally appeared in 1984, it did not have the standard military-style haircut, he had slightly longish hair up until it was burned off (along with his eyebrows) when Reese blew up the car in the alley behind the Tech-Noir. I'm waiting to find out if anyone remembers that fact; after all the next two times we see an Arninator (haha), he always has the short hairstyle. -Sec_1971 12:26, 14 March 2009 (UTC) I bet the reason for Arnie military style haircut was because much of the marketing for as well as a large portion of the first film had Arnie with that hairstyle. It was a marketing move to maintain consistency for the majority of moviegoers. Once that second established the hairstyle, the third had to inevitably follow suite. One of the few good things about Salvation was that they at least got the original haircut right because that was the facial model given to the design team --Nickf80 01:12, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

Continuity

Does anyone know the (officially-stated) continuity issue between Terminator Salvation and T3? I saw some people in the forums says "McG stated the events in Terminator Salvation happened after the T3" and "Events in T3 was referred in the Terminator Salvation novel". However, I haven't read the novel and, I just don't feel right, there are still some connections are weird, or, even no connection. Anyone have clues? Thanks.--TX55TALK 18:53, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

It's garbage, folks

Kyle Reese states in T1 that "The 600 series had rubber skin. We spotted them easy." He does NOT state "The 600 series was 8 feet tall with a minigun welded to its arm. We spotted them easy." The fact is that somebody couldn't just walk up to a Resistance base and be allowed inside. They have to give a password or something to whomever is guarding the door, as is established in future flashbacks in T1. Which means it has to gain the confidence of some humans by appearing to be a survivor and then be admitted inside where it can do its work. Simply walking up to the base and opening fire from whatever distance it is that people with binoculars would be able to tell what it is wouldn't do. Also, if Skynet knew exactly where these bases were then it could simply bomb them with bunker penetrating munitions. Part of the game here is that Skynet DOESN'T know where all of these bases are.

The fact is that the people who made T4 had absolutely no respect for the source material they were working with, or the genre they were working in. They probably never even bothered to WATCH the first two movies. They expected the movie to be a hit because of the name "Terminator" and because of the amount of money they threw at special effects.

McG may have just done to "Terminator" what Frank Miller did to "RoboCop" with the script for RoboCop 3. And the T-600 is the most glaring example of that.

It's an example of what is known in marketing as "branding". People expect a certain thing from an established brand and they tend to react negatively when those expectations are reversed, no matter how large the ego of the person initiating the changes or how many sock puppets they hire to come on to sites like this to say how great the movie is. Salvation's current rating from Rotten Tomatoes (33%) stands as testimony to this fact.

I think we should seriously consider adding a section to this page entitled "Controversies" to address these issues. --Trench216 18:21, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

I believe a controversy only exists when you expect something specific but see something different. You have every right to dislike the movie. I went in with the expectation of being entertained, and I was indeed. I don't recall Kyle Reese saying the T-600's were 5 foot 2 with pig-tails and lollipops either. So little of the "Future War" was described that the "Salvation" creators could run wild with their imaginations. You can't expect perfect continuity from film to film when timetravel is involved. Your concers may be proven correct if they continue making Terminator films that stray more and more from the original concept for the sake of ticket sales. However in my opinion Terminator Salvation brought some grittiness and dystopic realism that I have been waiting a long time for so I call it a winner. -Grimace427 18:50, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Five foot 2 with pig-tails and lollipops? That's freakin' hilarious. Now that would be an effective infiltrator. -Sec_1971 14:36, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Exactly. Who's gonna shoot a little girl with a lillipop anyway? haha -Grimace427 19:15, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Well, I might. But that's beside the point :) -Sec_1971 19:46, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Yeah I might too. There are some seriously stuck-up brats who come in with their rich parents here where I work(Mercedes dealership). I wouldn't mind standing over their mutilated cyborg bodies and say Terminated!. -Grimace427 19:53, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
I ought to be more specific: Five foot-two with pig-tails and CELLPHONES!! -Grimace427 19:55, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
I loved Terminator Salvation and I don't think it was garbage at all, Christian Bale was a great John Connor and Sam Worthington was very interesting as a hybrid Terminator and those who can't see the greatness in this movie are crazy -User:MGSolidSnake 9:13, 5 August 2009

Kate's lines

Katherine Brewster mentions to John that the T-850 told them that she will one day become the leader of the resistance after his death and that she can become a field medic.

Does anyone knows when does the conversation appear in the film? Thanks. --TX55TALK 13:37, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Terminator voice

What is the mechanic/digital voice that the Harvester / Series T1 / Series 600 / Series 700 makes, and does anyone know where i can download it, or even how to make it? -- TSCTH 17:35, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Arnie Cameo

Its stated on the page he gave his image and recorded vocals but I dont remember the T-800 actually speaking in other than kyles voice and the mechanical voice most of the other terminators use. Watcherzero 23:17, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

They may appear in the Director's Cut. -Sec_1971 00:18, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Miscellaneous

Regarding the continuity note in this article saying Kyle Reese was born after Judgement Day in the first film, I believe he only said he grew up after the war. I can't quote this, but that would contradict the alteration to the timeline that was mentioned. Kyle could still be the same age in 2018 according to the Salvation film as he was in The Terminator. His capture and tenure in the work camp could still be in his future. -Grimace427 20:06, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

I believe that the way it is set up in Terminator: Salvation this was his 'work camp' experience. It introduced John Connor to him in a similar way too as Connor taught them how to storm the wires. - Nx1701g 03:03, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Predestination Paradox

I know there is a whole page dedicated to the predestination paradox, but the Q&A section needs further discussion and I don't want to muck up tha article page. To quote;

":A: There is still the possibility that the original John Connor was actually fathered by someone else prior to the first Kyle Reese time travel incident. See Predestination paradox. Also if Skynet doesn't send back the T-800 their advancement is significantly slowed due to the direct acquisition of terminator parts by Cyberdyne Systems as a result of the incursion to terminate Sarah Connor."

The original Skynet from The Terminator was defeated. Having sent back the T-800 to kill Sarah Connor created a new timeline where Cyberdyne systems aquired the destroyed machine. The company's development of Skynet was thusly accelerated compared to the original timeline. The number of timeline incursions tells us which "generation" the Skynet of Terminator Salvation is. Unfortunately for the machines this is self-defeating as John Connor and the resistance are also advanced by learning from their new enemies. The John Connor of the TS timeline has a mother who survived an attack from a T-800. He has personally survived the T-1000 and T-X. Not to mention Judgement Day itself. Had Skynet spent it's resources on killing John in it's own timeline it may have had a different future. This seems to be what TS was all about. Marcus was the machine Skynet should have made in the original timeline. But seruptitiously luring John to Skynet central seemed a bit odd if the idea was to kill him. -Grimace427 14:11, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Another T-800?

I know this has been discussed, but I think Marcus has a chance of being the T-RIP. If you watch the background of the scene where Marcus jumps down after smashing Skynet's monitor with a stool, you can see another T-800 behind him. The face may be covered with smoke, but it has signature body-builder shape as the T-800. It's standing still, and does not come after Marcus, but I don't think that Prototype T-800 in the prison cell was the only one. Zalbaag 23:38, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

It has already been agreed that there was a second T-800 fully fleshed in the scene you mentioned. By going off of on-screen references and dialogue the T-800 was no prototype, merely the first operational production model. John himself even identified the terminators in the factory as T-800's(don't care what behind-the-scenes say, they could have been filmed before the T-700 idea was scrapped). As far as the T-RIP designation, the only reference for it came from the toylines. They had indeed screwed up before calling Marcus a T-700, so I maintain they screwed up with the T-RIP as well as it is a more fitting name for Marcus. There are people who wish to keep the T-RIP name for the T-800 just to help differentiate it from the previous films(something I think is unnecessary). At the end of the day, my opinion is the name "T-RIP" should be forgotten as it was never used in the film. -Grimace427 19:08, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

"Marcus is a T-700" is definitely a screw-up, and it is already conflict with many factors as seen. As for the T-RIP, we can only say it is an "obscure" since there are at least two toylines use the term, and there has no things to conflict nor support it. As for the T-700 in the factory, it would be technically T-800 since behind-the-scene feature in DVD refer the T-700 as "the first generation of T-800". Plus, T-700 and T-800 just look the same, even the Hot Toy version of the T-700. --TX55TALK 02:59, February 26, 2010 (UTC)

The T-800 did not infiltrate the resistance. Marcus did. The T-800 is not unique enough for such a personalized title. Marcus is. There is no evidence the T-800 is a prototype. Marcus is explictly referred to the only one of his kind. Behind-the-scenes are filmed prior to the film being completed. Several storylines were explored then scrapped due to negative public reception. The T-700 was one of those ideas. The T-RIP may have been another. And toys are toys. -Grimace427 12:59, February 26, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not trying to say about T-800 and T-RIP (And the page title for TS T-800 has moved to "T-800" already), and Toys are Toys, yes, but T-800 is an Infiltrator, which is use to infiltrate the Resistance and attack, just like the Future Terminator. So, despite the TS T-800 didn't infiltrate the Resistance, he is still an Infiltrator. Anyway, both Marcus and T-800 are Infiltrators. As for "TS T-800 is a prototype", I'm sure it's not mentioned in the film, IIRC, I've seen several times in other media such as magazine.

And, as for T-700, when I say in last reply (it would be technically T-800), I mean "Yes, it is T-800 in the factory". --TX55TALK 16:23, February 26, 2010 (UTC)

Move

I'd suggest move this page to "Terminator Salvation (film)" since there are more than one "Terminator Salvation" page. If no particular objection, the page will be moved after Aug 10, 2010. --TX55TALK 06:54, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Main article: Talk:Terminator Wiki#Page moving and the disambig

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