Talk: Terminator Wiki/Archive 04

Archives of Talk:Terminator Wiki, collecting the threads post during August in 2009 to 2010.

Naming rules[]

Um, I don't know how to start, but I think the discussion over the TSCC T-888 should be better split for convenience, so I created this section. --TX55^TALK 11:28, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

Naming standard for T-888 in The Sarah Connor Chronicles[]

What about unnamed T-888 terminators that showed up on TSCC... should we name them after the episodes they appeared in? And if so, would it be weird if we didn't abbreviate episode names but we did abbreviate movie names? --Kanamekun 05:51, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

By far we don't have any notable T-888 that haven't had its own page. So it won't be a problem. If we really need to create one, take T-888 in "Today Is The Day, Part 1" for example, we can name it "T-888 (TSCC S02E18)", "T-888 (TSCC 218), "T-888 (TSCC 218)". --TX55^TALK 18:09, March 19, 2010 (UTC)

There have been a surprising number of unnamed T-888s, but they've been given kind of random article names:

* The Rogue

* The Greenway Terminator

* The Bedell Terminator

* The Fields Terminator

* Water Delivery Guy

I'll think through your proposal - it's definitely interesting! I was thinking something more along these lines:

T-888 (Dungeons & Dragons)

T-888 (Automatic for the People)

T-888 (Goodbye to All That)

T-888 (Alpine Fields)

T-888 (Born to Run)

--Kanamekun 00:20, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

I think we don't have to move the page because they already have distinguish names from other machines (although I personally think "the Rogue" is not distinguish enough), (IIRC) especially "Water Delivery Guy" is an official designation for him. Especially there are at least three (presumed) T-888s in "Dungeon and Dragons". :)

--TX55^TALK 02:05, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not happy with the ad hoc names given to the unnamed terminators. "The Bedell Terminator"... did that name appear anywhere, or did we just make it up for the wiki? --Kanamekun 02:11, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

Looks like all "the *** Terminator" are made up by the users in this wiki. I think I can accept if those ad hoc name need to be changed. --TX55^TALK 03:47, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

The two alternatives we've talked about are along the lines of:

"T-888 (TSCC S02E18)"
"T-888 (Dungeons & Dragons)"

I like your proposal b/c it has TSCC in there... but I do like having the episode name in there. So feeling a bit torn. --Kanamekun 03:54, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

For the character page of the TV series, I think each of them have merits and demerit.

T-888 (TSCC S**E**)
Merit - Easy for users to type, especially in the search box or the address bar of the browser.

Demerit - Not everyone knows S**E** stands for which episode. For myself as an example, even I do remember all the episode names and numbers, it's hard to say if I will still remember, maybe 10 years after. Beside, another example, only listing "T-888 (S02E12)" on a page (category pages or imageless list from any page) without any image is hard for reader to tell who it is.

But even this idea is dropped, we may need to create these pages because — it's much easier for users to type.

T-888 (episode name)
Merit - Easier to understand who it is. (If there is only a GUEST T-888 in the episode.)

Demerit - Hard for users to type, especially in the search box (sometime the auto-search function just don't work) or the address bar of the browser. For example: "The Tower Is Tall But the Fall Is Short" (Thank GOD there is no T-888 endo in this episode.) Sometime a user just can't remember it's "The Tower Is Tall But the Fall Is Short" or "The Tower is Tall But the Fall is Short" OR "The Tower is Tall but the Fall is Short". Not to mention other words such as &/and, to/To, for/For, a/A, the/The.

(Nicknamed by this site)
Merit - Easy to known which character this name stands for.

Demerit - Not all the name are well-named. And, for example, a user who hadn't watched or watched but not familiar with the show may ask "how do I know who the Rogue is?"

Basically, for TSCC T-888, I'm okay with the above three idea. I'd like to see other users' opinions. :D --TX55^TALK 08:34, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

I just came up that how we can handle the following two pages:

The Greenway Terminator - Carl Greenway (T-888)
The Ellison Terminator - James Ellison (T-888)

This is how we handle Catherine Weaver (human).

As for other characters, such as the Bedell Terminator, the page should be moved to "T-888 (episode name)" or "T-888 (TSCC S**E**)", since it is credited as T-888.

The only problem by far I know is characters such as the Rogue, which is tricky, because there are more than one T-888. I think we can rename it as "T-888 (###, Resistance)" (### for episode name or S**E**), unless there are other ideas. --TX55^TALK 11:28, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

Wow, I LOVE this idea!!! Awesome... thanks for bearing with me. :-) --Kanamekun 00:28, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

As for the tricky terminators - let's rename the easy ones, then work our way through the tougher ones! I'll start with the moves in a day or two, if there are no objections... --Kanamekun 00:28, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

I just realized: we don't know for sure if Ellison's terminator was a T-888. So how about we call that page, James Ellison (terminator)?

James Ellison (Terminator) will be fine since we can only assume he is a T-888. --TX55^TALK 06:03, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

Should we keep it lower case? James Ellison (terminator) Otherwise, it might appear to be a character from the Terminator movie (T1)... --Kanamekun 06:07, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

No, it won't since T1 is Character (The Termninator). :) --TX55^TALK 06:58, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

Is there anyone working on moving/renaming the different T-888s? I have to say I dont really like using made up names on characters, unless its put in brackets. Using episode namings in brackets seems at least a bit more logical to me. Anyone have updates on this matter? Ascaaear 06:28, April 28, 2010 (UTC

I like the season/episode idea for naming the triple eights. Like TX55 pointed out, the major flaw with this naming convention is that it fails to differentiate between T-888's seen in a single episode (without further complicating the alphanumerics by adding additional modifiers). Beyond that, I cannot think of any better naming conventions than what you all suggested already.--Nickf80 22:35, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

Excluding more developed characters like Cromartie or even Myron Stark and Vick Chamberlain, most of these Trip 8s seem to function more or less the same. Do they even need separate articles or could we redirect some to a heading under the T-888 article? You can still categorize the redirect page under Category:T-888s, for example. Here's what I suggested: Talk:Carl Greenway (T-888)#Merge with Carl Greenway---CadmiumX99 14:07, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

YES, they absolutely deserve their own pages. The T-888 page is mainly about the machine and its specification, not about characters. So basically, they shouldn't be merged into the T-888 page. And not all the T-888s function more or less the same — some are for assassinations, some are program to destroyed, while some are for simply guarding. As for "Greenway", though it is a replacement of Carl Greenway, it is a completely different character from the real Greenway, so two page should not be merged. --TX55^TALK 16:18, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

Character infoboxes[]

I noticed on Character infoboxes, like Kate Brewster and others too, that there are a something called "Timeline", which on Kate are referred to Original timeline and New timeline. I just find this info a bit vague and doesnt really say anything. Wouldn't it be better to link to timeline-pages that already exist on this Wikia. In this case, it would be to Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines (timeline) and Terminator Salvation (timeline). What do you think? Ascaaear 10:45, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

Infoboxes[]

Hey, I think that there should be info boxes for minor charecters like John's foster parents and also for the series of terminators themsleves not just the ones that where in the films as charecters. what do you think?

Make sure to sign your name with ~~~~. If you can come with the label:data types you want in a Minor Character Infobox, let me know I can mock one up for you. — Jeiara^Talk 07:31, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

Pretty much the same as the main ones amd what about terminator series infoboxes can we have those? T-888

Novel infobox[]

Couldn't find one here, check out The Terminator (Frakes novel) and tell me what you think of the layout.---CadmiumX99 16:13, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

PS Please click on this link first before switching the headings around. Thanks.---CadmiumX99 19:42, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

Looking for more input on Talk:The Terminator (Frakes novel). Thank you!---CadmiumX99 04:18, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Actor pages[]

I'd like to suggest several actor pages should be cleaned up. The contents of those pages are simply copied from Wikipedia pages. Some of them are not-too-notable, some of them are out-of-date. And it is a bit troublesome/inconvenient. So, actor pages should be as simple as possible. (If any user want to see further information, he or she can just click the wikipedia link. The article on wikipedia contains other links to other articles on wikipedia, which is not exist on this site.) --TX55^TALK 13:39, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

Number Of Articles[]

Why has the number of articles lowered from about 1,780 to 917? have some articles merged or something, juts wondering? T-888

I don't recall the article count ever being over 1,000. Right now we are at 943. Perhaps you confused the Terminator wiki with another? I am editing on 4 different wiki's and I've done that before. -Grimace427 23:58, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Terminator Wiki has never been that high that I know of and I've been updating here for over a year and routinely checked the number. - Nx1701g

Yup, it's never been that high. — Jeiara^Talk 21:37, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

The number keeps "glitching if you will, When I click My Home or lets say the article about the rogue it says 944 and when I click on the one about hybrid male it says 942, why is that T-888 03:50, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

I've been deleting articles, so the number is probably moving around. Also, the pages you're viewing may be cached by the server... so there may be some minor variations in the number of articles you see on any given page. --Kanamekun 07:40, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Okay thank you. the number has stettled down now. T-888 01:14, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

Verb or noun as a page title?[]

Continued from Talk:Reprogram

Sorry for forgetting to mention. Although "reprogram" is much convenient to type (yes, really convenient), but I thought isn't a page name usually a noun? Such as "Replacement (not replace)" or "Impersonation (not Impersonate)". So wouldn't it be "Reprogramming" since "Reprogram" is a verb? --TX55^TALK 16:13, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Ah interesting... heh I created those pages too.

There are a number of pages that are named after verbs: self-terminate, reboot and self-destruct come to mind. I try to use whatever word sounds the most right... I guess we could change Impersonation to Impersonate, to be consistent? But Replacement feels like it makes more sense.

I dunno... would be happy to discuss an overall policy for naming pages, and then maybe we can apply it consistently to all pages? Would love to hear what you think - and other users too! --Kanamekun 16:46, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

I think this is a good topic for discussion. I think we can move the discussion to Talk:Terminator Wiki or Current events, so other users may notice and participate the discussion. :D --TX55^TALK 03:38, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good to me! --Kanamekun 07:43, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia does have a policy of using nouns for article names, instead of verbs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:VERB#Name_construction

But their page about reboots is called "booting"... I dunno, that word hasn't been used on the show - but reboot has. --Kanamekun 01:25, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, as far as I know, most of the Wikipedia-system-based databases use noun as page names. As for the "reboot" on Wikipedia, IIRC, "rebooting" is similar to "booting" in some way, so it doesn't have its own page. As for on Terminator Wiki, the page name should "reboot" (or "rebooting" to match the naming style) instead of just "Boot(ing)" because "rebooting" is an unique term in the Terminator franchise. --TX55^TALK 06:28, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

It of course does not help disambiguate the subject at hand when the word in this example exists simultaneously in both forms. You can either execute a reboot (noun) or set something to reboot (verb). Identifying a process (making it a subject and therefore a noun) is the same for our purposes as describing the process in action (constituting a verb). Specific useage within the context of the franchise should be the determining factor of the naming convention, attributing it to the form most associated with the chosen media.Fulongamer 15:52, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

Page moving[]

I'd like suggesting moving both "John Connor (TSCC)" and "Sarah Connor (TSCC)" into John Connor (TSCC) and Sarah Connor (TSCC) respectively. Since there are too many timelines (despite most of them are minor, compared to TSCC), we need to specified which timeline they are from.

And I suggest moving "Character's Biography (Season ##)" into Character/Season ## as a subpage, because a character's biography is usually a subpage and it is much more convenient to type. --TX55^TALK 01:52, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

I love the idea of moving JC and SC's page to the new locations you mentioned. Especially since there are so many timelines at this point...

I dunno about the sub-page thing though... have you seen that on other wikis? --Kanamekun 01:54, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. ^^ Yes, I've seen many subpages of biography in TF Wiki. :D --TX55^TALK 02:08, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

I could get behind something like "John Connor Season 1" as a new article name as an alternative... would that work? --Kanamekun 02:16, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

Um, but it would lack the interaction to the main page. (A subpage contains a default link to the main page, such as "< John Connor".) --TX55^TALK 02:28, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd support a move for subpages and retitling the pages, and if need be, templates can be made to make linking easier to the subpages and main pages in question. This is to help keep it all together and not have multiple pages for the same person. --Terran Officer 02:32, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

"This is to help keep it all together and not have multiple pages for the same person." Oh, that is what I'd like to express but not knowing how to type it into words. Thank you! --TX55^TALK 02:38, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

Not a problem, I am able to understand what it is you're looking for, and I can agree that subpaging a biography section is a better idea, then to make it a totally separate page (or perhaps it's far, far to big and should be edited for one page, depends). I agree on the page moves, there's so many "alternate timelines" that this might become confusing to new visitors (such as it is..multiple timelines...bah), perhaps the best thing to do, if theres so many "versions" of people is to either A) take the core one and place it (the information) on said page, or B) make the undismig title/name/whatever a page linking to several different "versions" but A is probably best (and somewhat what this wiki does now). I've started rambling now, but from what I can see, your thinking of something like "John Connor (TSCC)/Biography (Season 1)" is this correct? --Terran Officer 05:15, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, this is it (and perhaps more than I thought)! As for the subpage title, Kanamekun has answered for me ("John Connor (TSCC)/Season 1"). Thank both of you again. ;-D --TX55^TALK 05:46, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

I think TX55 was suggesting: "John Connor (TSCC)/Season 1" for the biography details pages... --Kanamekun 05:23, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

Well, that works to, I was just throwing the name out there as an example of what he had meant, saying "John Connor (TSCC)/Season 1" is fine (and shorter) to use for a title. --Terran Officer 05:52, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

Ok since we're all in agreement, let's move the pages from "John Connor (TSCC)" to "John Connor (TSCC)" and the same for Sarah Connor (TSCC). As for the subpages, what do you guys think of leaving this discussion open for a while to collect more input from the community? --Kanamekun 05:55, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I'll start to move the pages. (And a bot task will start when there are less editing activities.) As for the subpage matter, I think "Character/Season #" is already good. But I think it's fine to leave this discussion open for a while. :D --TX55^TALK 05:59, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

Page moving, Part 2[]

Sorry for misinterpreting and too hurry, I'd like to suggest moving the following pages:

T-800 (The Terminator) - T-800 (T1)
T-800 (Terminator 2) - T-800 (T2)
T-1000 (character) - T-1000 (T2) (per T-800 (T23D))
T-800 (Terminator Salvation) - T-800 (TS)

And as an extent discussion of the previous section, there are still some TSCC-related pages that I'd like to move them. --TX55^TALK 16:35, March 16, 2010 (UTC)

The main ones I wanted to discuss were the first four moves: the ones related to the naming conventions of Terminators.

Terminators are tricky because they don't always have names... so we kinda have to make up naming conventions for them based on their series numbers.

When I first started editing, the site was using a naming convention basically along these lines.

The one exception was that the article for the T-1000 from T2 was named T-1000 (character), because there wasn't more than one T-1000 so the movie wasn't needed to disambig. I never really liked that approach, because it made it hard to remember how to link the article.

Anyway, would love to hear more about your thinking on the proposed moves for the four terminators! Thanks... --Kanamekun 17:20, March 16, 2010 (UTC)

I mention the T-1000 because there is another one in T2 3-D: Battle Across Time, despite not having much action, it has a potential for a page. --TX55^TALK 18:37, March 16, 2010 (UTC)

Ah, good point.

I guess the main thrust of your proposed changes for the terminator names is using abbreviations ("T2") instead of the full name of the movie? --Kanamekun 19:01, March 16, 2010 (UTC)

Uh, how come I forgot. Yes, the new name I mentioned is using abbreviations, which have been used on T-800 (T23D), Sarah Connor (TSCC), and John Connor (TSCC). It is simple and would be more convenient for users when typing the page name. :D --TX55^TALK 05:40, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

If it is okay, I'd like to move the four pages on April 12th. :D --TX55^TALK 18:14, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

By the way, can you move T-800 (The Termiantor) back to T-800 (The Terminator) for now. (because it require an admin to execute the move.) I totally messed up this entry last time. Thank you! :D --TX55^TALK 02:05, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

Fixed up the typo. :-) --Kanamekun 02:11, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. :D--TX55^TALK 03:47, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

Disambigs[]

One more quick thing! I'm noticing more diambig pages... what's the thinking there? --Kanamekun 19:07, March 16, 2010 (UTC)

It's common a disambiguation page would be needed when there are more than three page with similar name. I've noticed pages such as T-800 or John/Jane have more than two page, so I created disambiguation pages for them. :) --TX55^TALK 05:40, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

Moved from User talk: TX55

These aren't really disambig pages... they're more like first name pages, like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward

Disambig pages are more for a single term that can refer to more than one thing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar_(disambiguation)

If the potential diambiguation is only between 2 or 3 articles though, we can handle it with a single line at the top of the page like this: http://smallville.wikia.com/wiki/Cyborg

I would propose that we rename pages like Edward (disambiguation) as just Edward... and if there isn't more than 2 or 3 confusingly similarly named articles, switching to a single line disambig like the Smallville wiki uses.

What do you think? --Kanamekun 19:30, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

First name pages are sometimes kinds of the disambiguation page, like this http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Bob_(disambiguation) or http://tfwiki.net/wiki/James_(disambiguation). So I created DAB pages for those names (including diminutive) which has more than 3 (including 3) pages. :) --TX55^TALK 02:18, March 18, 2010 (UTC)

This approach makes disambiguation front and center... I actually don't think it comes up that much on the wiki. Mind if I make some edits to one of the sets of pages being disambiged, to show an alternate way to handle it? --Kanamekun 05:37, March 18, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I'd like to see your suggestion. :D (And... I'm not sure I understand what "front and center" mean here? Would you mind switch a word? Thanks. :D) --TX55^TALK 05:43, March 18, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I'll work on a disambig! Basically I'd like to focus the disambig links on just the confusingly similar articles, and handle the rest through See Also links. I'll show you what I mean...

Oh and sorry about "front and center"... I just meant that the current disambiguation approach makes the disambig links really prominent. I worry that it's too prominent, and is distracting readers from the article opening? --Kanamekun 05:58, March 18, 2010 (UTC)

That's okay. I think you don't have to worry about being too prominent. I've changed its appearance since I start working on DAB templates recently. Here is a difference of the look between the old and current version. :) --TX55^TALK 09:28, March 18, 2010 (UTC)

Do we need the background color and box around the diambig text? I think it calls a lot of attention to something we probably want to keep a bit more low key... along the lines of the look of the Wikipedia disambig: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google

What do you think? --Kanamekun 09:32, March 18, 2010 (UTC)

I don't feel it would call attention. I think the border is nessasary. Unlike to Template:Main or Template:Seealso, DAB is technically not part of the article. It is much a "notice", like Template:delete, Template:move or Template:merge. So the color border is needed. --TX55^TALK 10:53, March 18, 2010 (UTC)

Navigation box[]

Ascaaear and I have started to work on a navigation box for the Main Page. Any opinion and idea are welcomed! ;-D --TX55^TALK 15:39, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

Main article: User talk:Ascaaear/Sandbox navbox‎

See also: User:Ascaaear/Sandbox navbox

# of articles down to 987[]

I deleted a bunch of old articles that had been requested for deletion... which seemed like necessary housekeeping, but now our article count has dipped below 1000 again!

If anyone is up for creating some articles to push us closer to 1000 again, this page might be a good place to start? http://terminator.wikia.com/wiki/Special:WantedPages

Thanks!! --Kanamekun 05:42, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

I know! I was all excited the wiki reached over 1,000 and now it's back down. :( — Jeiara^Talk 20:44, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

Errr, right now we got 3 pages for deletion and 12 pages for merge, so by far there are 974 articles. The good news is, I know there are pages still yet to be created, such as expanding each Infinity / Revolution issues into its own page, or creating the rest episode for Terminator Salvation Machinima. However, I'm not sure I got enough time to finish them recently. --TX55^TALK 13:48, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

IMO I think its better to clean up the wiki and have less pages which are good. There are way to many pages which I dont really understand why are written at all. Ascaaear 22:24, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

Ah which ones, Ascaaear? We should mark them for deletion and discuss getting them off the site! --Kanamekun 06:40, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

For starters I just question some of these pages, at least it needs more explanation: Alternate future, The War Against the Machines, The War Against the Machines (New Timeline), The War Against the Machines (Original Timeline), The War Against the Machines (SCC Timeline), Terminator Trilogy Timeline, Sarah Connor (TSCC), John Connor (TSCC), Terminator Timeline A1&A2, Terminator Timeline B1&B2, Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles (alternative timeline), Jade's World, Destiny, Alternate future.

Some of them, like John Connor (TSCC) etc. can me merged into John Connors main page. I see no use of having a separated page for TSCC.

Btw how you mark a page for deletion, merging and renaming? What happens after? Does anyone actually do something about it? Ascaaear 07:13, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

I think pages like Sarah (TSCC) or Jonh (TSCC) are needed since they are so big that require another pages to be contained. As how to mark a page, just type templates like {{delete}}, {{merge}}, or {{move}} respectively when editing. After a discussion (occationally no discussion for cases like typo, vandalism or other minor things), the pages willy be deleted, merged, or moved. --TX55^TALK 07:35, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

Lower case / Title case[]

I noticed lately that there are mixed use of lower case and title case, used on page titles. And I wanna start a discussion on how to use it. Here is my opinion:

As I understand title case, is to be used on titles of products or names, ie. Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines, John Connor, Hunter Killer etc. Note: In general all words are capitalized, except for short articles, prepositions, and conjunctions are lower case. Real products are also to be set in italic, but names from in-universe are only to be "title case". Page titles which doesn't referrer to any real product or in-universe names or places, but describe something in general like The War Against the Machines, should in my opinion be The war against the machines or maybe even all lower case the war against the machines. In my opinion it confuse me to use title case on something which are not real product or name. Does anyone have any thoughts about this? Maybe we can come to a consensus about this matter. Ascaaear 11:10, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

"The War Against the Machines" is a proper noun in Terminator franchise, so "War" and "Machines" need to be capitalized, while the "Against" could be either lower case or capitalized. (Though it seems most case are capitalized.) "DVD" is a proper noun instead of "dvd", so we should use "DVD" (and "Blu-ray"). --TX55^TALK 13:47, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I am not an expert on this, so I rest my case if I am wrong, but according to the wikipedia link I presented about title case (sorry, it didnt work in my last post), it clearly states when to use of Title case. The cases you refer to in the Google search, are either book titles or names of more or less famous wars which have been used for years. Which makes sense using "title case". The phrase "What Against The Machines" are more a quote from the movie (its used two times by Sarah Connor in T2). IMHO, quotes should be treated with lower case. Ascaaear 01:55, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

So I remember correct, it surely does appear in the fiction. "TWATM" is a term in the quote instead of a quote, so it should not be treated all lower case. --TX55^TALK 06:22, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

I never seen a quotes written like this "Hasta La Vista", or "I'll Be Back" even that the later on is used all over the franchise. I looked up "TWATM", and it's used two times by Sarah in T2, "the war against those who build the wrong machines" are used, or simply "the war" are used several times too. "The battle between man and machines" from T3 by John Connor. I hear your point, but what makes you think the quote "The War Against The Machines" are more special than "I'll be back" or any of the other quotes written with lower case? What makes you think it's a term? This and the other quotes are clearly written with lower case in the script. Ascaaear 08:02, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

"I'll be back." is simply a quote because it is a sentence (contains subect and verb). While the war~ is a term/noun used in quotes. --TX55^TALK 10:54, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

If you have anything that can support "TWATM" being a term, I agree on you, but as far as I can see, its just a sentence like everything else. Ascaaear 12:52, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

No, a sentence must contain subject and verb. For "The War Against the Machines", it's just a phrase/term. While sentence like "I'll be back" is a sentence because there are subject (I) and verb (be). --TX55^TALK 13:11, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Your probably right about the sentence and verb and all that, but TWATM are taken out of context. I just realized something. I tok a look at the script, scene 4 and 215. First one spell it with capital "M" and the other one with lower case "M". It still look weird to me, but I guess I have to rest my case. It can be either. But it still needs to be moved to The War against the Machines. Dont you agree? Ascaaear 17:01, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Either "Against" or "against" is fine. ;-D --TX55^TALK 17:48, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Sounds cool. I would go for "against". "War" and "Machines" seems logical using capital letter since they refer to something specific, while "against" doesn't refer to something. Ascaaear 00:15, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

You might be interested in looking at this page on the wiki: Naming conventions — Jeiara^Talk 21:13, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

I read the article, and so far it supports my view of using "Title case" on products. I guess the discussion now goes on what the phrase "The War Against The Machines" really is... is it a name on a war, or is it just a quote, which should be lower case. I vote for the last one. Ascaaear 01:55, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Talk pages of deleted article[]

I think we should keep those talk pages of deleted article (except for the redirect or typo pages), so that other users will know the reason of deletion and won't create the same page again. --TX55^TALK 05:09, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, that's usually the case (i hope). Has there been deletion of talk pages with conversations? — Jeiara^Talk 04:29, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Um, as far as I remember, for the deleted talk pages with conversation, there are [[Talk:HK-Chrome Widow]], [[Talk:Marcus Wright's model]], [[Talk:Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles Rap up]], [[Talk:Terminator:Bitwa Ostateczna]]{{c|?}}, [[Talk:Cameron Phillips Trivia]]{{c|?}}, [[Talk:T-825]], [[Talk:Series 100]]{{c|?}}, [[Talk:Series 200]]{{c|?}}, [[Talk:Series T-100000]]{{c|?}}, [[Talk:Taylor]]. --TX55^TALK 08:59, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Page moving and the disambig[]

I found it seems too massive, so I post it here just like the last time (massive moving of the single Terminator pages as seeing above)

A part: Title -> Title (film)
- The Terminator -> The Terminator (film)

and the rest of the three films

Take "Terminator 2: Judgment Day" for example, there are at least more than three page with the title "Terminator 2: Judgment Day", such as the comic, the game, or the novel. Although when "Terminator 2: Judgment Day" is mentioned, we usually refer to the film, but we still need the disambig tag "film", because this is what it is. Just like Predator 2, when we mention Predator 2, it is usually "Predator 2 (film)", but its page has a disambig tag "(film)", that's why I suggest the pages should be moved.

B Part: Franchise (timeline) -> Franchise timeline
- The Terminator (timeline) -> The Terminator timeline

and the rest of the three franchises

See also: Talk:Terminator Salvation (timeline)

It is a common sense to name a timeline page with "Franchise timeline" instead of "Franchise (timeline)"¹²³⁴⁵. Because it is a full name. When we mention the timeline of some franchise, it is always "Franchise timeline" instead of "Franchise (timeline)", which would make the page name become simply "Franchise".

--TX55^TALK 16:40, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Image guideline[]

Do we have any policies about the images? Such as quality, image names, NO on screencap from boot videos? --TX55^TALK 01:45, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Bots[]

Can we request the Wikia staff for tagging User:Wikia as a bot, so it won't show up in the Special:RecentChanges? --TX55^TALK 15:13, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

I admin a few other wikis and they seem to do this on all of the wikis... have they flagged it as a bot on a wikia wiki? --Kanamekun 20:57, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Possibly not all, but some. I admin on Teletraan-1 and we've requested the staff to tag it as a bot soon after its appearance. --TX55^TALK 22:46, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Suggestion for the main page[]

I'd like to suggest to create a notice box on the main page. The contents will be about something about "Recruit", like:

We Need You!

Terminator Wiki needs those who are very familiar of the following Terminator media:

Comics

Novels

Video games

Because I think not all of the page of the productions in the above media are very completed, such as story/plot/synopsis, characters, notes(continuity, errors, Terminator references, Real-world references). --TX55^TALK 08:21, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

I added a new box on the homepage, how is that? Also when did we change the naming from Franchise to Media? — Jeiara^Talk 00:07, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, it look nice. ;-D

As for the "franchise to media" thing, it was made by CadmiumX99 (as mentioned in Monaco sidebar. Actually, I'm with the name since franchises should go with the fiction's name (such as Terminator Salvation or Terminator 2: Judgment Day) while media go with, um, just media (such as film, books, games). --TX55^TALK 10:56, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Header Update[]

I thought the Terminator Salvation header was getting out of date, so I changed it back to the old image header. If anyone wants me to change it back/has objections/etc. let me know. :-) — Jeiara^Talk 05:25, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

It's okay since TS is really getting out of date. On the other hand, "What you can do" is a bit out-of-date. However, I didn't change it because I don't know what should be added to it. --TX55^TALK 08:54, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Fanon[]

http://terminatorfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Terminator_Fanon_Wiki Need help if anyone wants to join in.

New Skin[]

Gah... I don't know if I like Wikia's new skin, if pages are not displaying/styled properly let me know, I'll try to fix it. :) — Jeiara^Talk 03:35, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

Hi Jeiara! I love TW, but it does look a little bland. Have you or the other admins tried the new Theme Designer feature? Click on My Tools (bottom right). You can customize the logo, links, buttons, etc. plus there's also an option to add your own background. (If anyone's taking suggestions, I think a "brushed steel" or chrome look would be cool.) Later---CadmiumX99 04:05, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

Just found User:Sannse http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Sannse/The_Theme_Thing. She can help with designing background themes. Included in her blog is a slideshow with a few examples of how the theme for a wiki can be customized. (Endoskeletons on the battlefield, maybe?)---CadmiumX99 06:01, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

Wow, the background looks cool! Darker, maybe?---CadmiumX99 06:45, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

In-universe vs. Real world articles[]

The best wikis I've seen usually break it down like this:

In-universe articles are usually written in past-tense, describing people and events (including time travel) as actual history that has already 'happened'.

Real world biographies for living people would obviously include present tense.

I took this approach to the United States of America article, assuming that the main focus on the article was on the "Terminator" version of the USA. Details about the real United States could be found under the heading "Behind the scenes". http://terminator.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:United_States_of_America ---CadmiumX99 20:10, December 13, 2010 (UTC)

As far as I know, the content of an article has two parts, one is the introduction part, which uses present tense (or past-tense, depend on the situation, such as a deceased character like the Wrong Sarah Connor or the Dire Wolf); the other is the fiction section (such as "character history"), where the past-tense is used. As for the synopsis section in a fiction articles such a Terminator: Revolution Issue 5 or Terminator Salvation (film), it should be present tense.--TX55^TALK 02:51, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

Agree with you on everything but the intro. Everyone is "deceased", sooner or later! :) The intro section of in-universe articles should be in past tense as well, whether or not the character/ location/ item of interest is currently "active". Look at it from the point of view of a historian. Wookieepedia does this (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Han_Solo) even with 'active' characters and it keeps the articles consistent. The difference would be the "Behind the scenes" section which would be present tense. Basically, In-universe: Past tense "was"; Real world facts: Present tense "is"---CadmiumX99 01:56, December 15, 2010 (UTC)

Seems the rule varies from site to site. [1]

I don't really think "Deceased sooner or later" is an issue, since it would be, errr, speculative or something (since not mentioned in the fiction). Also, using present or past tense in the intro part serves a way to distinguish an active/live character and a deceased/destroyed character, as I mentioned previously.

--TX55^TALK 12:49, December 15, 2010 (UTC)

Then add 'Status: Active/ Deceased' like http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Spock to the character infobox. Using present tense in the intro makes sense if you're writing a Wikipedia style article; "John Connor is a character", but if we're writing in-universe style, as if we're describing actual history, it's better stylistically to use past tense; "John Connor was the leader of the Resistance". BTW, is there anyone else with an opinion about this?---CadmiumX99 15:37, December 16, 2010 (UTC)

I know what you mean (Using present tense for out-verse: "John Connor is a character") (And I've used past tense in pages for in-universe-styled contents), while what I mentioned previously is 1. there doesn't seem to be only one standard; 2.the introduction part is a simple bio of a character or an object, so it should be present tense. --TX55^TALK 16:42, December 16, 2010 (UTC)

OK so there's more than one standard, I'm hereby proposing we make past-tense the standard for in-universe Terminator Wiki articles, intro included (see example) until you hit the "Behind the scenes" header and other real world info. As for the second part of your argument, TX, why should the intro be written in present tense just because its short? Who says? Writing the intro In-U style keeps it consistent with the In-U history that follows it. If there's two ways to do it, I say we take a vote.----CadmiumX99 02:09, December 17, 2010 (UTC)

No, I didn't say it should be written in present tense just it is short. I just say the intro part should be present or past tense, depending on the character or object is live/active or not.

And yes, I'd like to see other opinions or a vote if possible. :) --TX55^TALK 11:52, December 17, 2010 (UTC)

If I made a wiki Poll, what would you like the options to say?

sample poll options:

• All In-Universe articles must be past tense.

• If character is active article intro can be present tense, otherwise past tense.

• I don't care about the tense. — Jeiara^Talk 04:06, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

Looks fine to me. :D --TX55^TALK 06:05, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

Ditto. :D ---CadmiumX99 05:05, December 25, 2010 (UTC)

Added poll to homepage. — Jeiara^Talk 06:08, January 24, 2011 (UTC)

fan[]

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